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Old 05-09-2018, 10:57 AM
 
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Where are these "morality and values" that these senators speak of? I don't see them in the Constitution. Who agreed on them?????
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Old 05-09-2018, 11:02 AM
 
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If torture worked, Bin Ladin would have been caught early on.

I've read how he was tracked and it was not with intelligence gleaned from torture.
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Old 05-09-2018, 11:12 AM
 
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...tes?CMP=twt_gu

Donald Trump’s nominee to be the next CIA director says that if she is confirmed by the Senate, the spy agency will not undertake a detention and harsh interrogation program like the one used after the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks on the US.


Is this an admission that it was wrong to use those harsh interrogation programs?

Do we think she demonstrated questionable judgement in the past indicating a huge professional error in judgement

OR......

do we think it is admirable that she is owning her mistake and willing to not make the same one.
I would like to believe her, but sometimes I think these people say what they need to in order to be confirmed.
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Old 05-09-2018, 01:46 PM
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It's disgusting how liberals are treating her. Post-9/11 was a different time (how soon we forget?), and the actions of the CIA probably saved numerous lives. All the liberals are now upset about 'waterboarding' hardcore terrorists, something that was perfectly legal at the time.

The only reason she's opposed is because she's nominated by President Trump.
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Old 05-09-2018, 01:49 PM
 
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That she even has to address this at all means I say "no". Another in a long list that deserves little more than to rot in hell for what they have done.
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Old 05-09-2018, 01:50 PM
 
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It's disgusting how liberals are treating her. Post-9/11 was a different time (how soon we forget?), and the actions of the CIA probably saved numerous lives. All the liberals are now upset about 'waterboarding' hardcore terrorists, something that was perfectly legal at the time.
No it wasn't and the fact that you have to resort to falsehoods to make a case means you do not have one.
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Old 05-09-2018, 02:21 PM
 
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https://twitter.com/votevets/status/994198105385029632

Veterans and those with experience know torture doesn't work.

Information obtained under duress is suspect, polluted from the start, and hard to verify.

Torture increases the risk to our soldiers.

Hinders cooperation with our allies.

Alienates the population whose support we need in the struggle against terrorism.

Provides a propaganda tool for extremists who wish to do us harm.

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Old 05-09-2018, 02:22 PM
exm
 
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No it wasn't and the fact that you have to resort to falsehoods to make a case means you do not have one.
Torture is defined by the UN Convention against Torture, which the US has signed, as "any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person" in order to get information.


The US legal code defines torture as an action "specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering", while the US Constitution bans "cruel and unusual punishment".



The US government under Mr Bush did not agree and made a distinction between "torture", which it accepted is banned by US and international law, and "enhanced interrogation techniques".

So yes, it was legal under the GWB administration.
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Old 05-09-2018, 02:23 PM
 
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Torture is either is moral or it is not.

https://twitter.com/SenKamalaHarris/...60543144972289
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Old 05-09-2018, 02:27 PM
 
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Gina doesn't make the rules, she follows them. That is how she's lasted so long in the CIA. Her former boss John Brennan is the corrupt one.

By the way, I find it interesting she worked undercover many times in the course of her career. Look at her -- very average looking person so could easily blend in.

I'm amused how the Dems are suddenly concerned with morality.
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