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It will take time to implement it. Trump's only been in office for a year and a few months. He can't implement it all himself without congress cooperating and they have been bucking him all the way. We have had at least 11 million foreigners invade our country illegally from our southern border and many whom are terrorists, criminals and drug cartels but the wall isn't an issue of national security? Did I just enter the twilight zone?
Tick tock, tick tock. There will be NO more spending bills until after the mid-terms, no more opportunities to fund his wall. Dems will win Congress; he will be a virtual lame duck.
Tick tock, tick tock. There will be NO more spending bills until after the mid-terms, no more opportunities to fund his wall. Dems will win Congress; he will be a virtual lame duck.
Oh but someone just HAS to take up the cause right? Right? No? Oh well, ok
Are you joking? The entire Democrat party in congress has bucked him and many of the GOP have also on this issue.
It’s called “soft leadership” and Trump is even worse at it than Obama...and I thought Obama set a new low for inability to work with Congress. The Constitution gives the President very little overt policy-making power. For such a vaunted deal-maker, he’s shown very little actual acumen, never mind results. I truly expected more.
If you’re counting the tax cut as a “win,” I’ll just point out that selling the idea of giving away money to pretty much everyone has to be as difficult as selling ice cream on a hot day at Disney World.
Also, the military has its own plans for that money, which they think are more important to national defense than building a wall to keep poor Mexicans on their reservation.
National defense? Are you sure it’s not the military budget to attack countries we don’t like? It has nothing to do with our national “defense”....
Are you joking? The entire Democrat party in congress has bucked him and many of the GOP have also on this issue. His plan was not unreasonable it was congress that was. He even was willing to give them DACA in exchange for the wall and yet they still rejected the border security that we need.
He seems to be more Democrat than Republican, he gave the Dems almost everything they wanted on a silver platter.
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I don't believe the wall will ever be built. Even if Trump had full funding now, he still has not procured the land to build it on. It would go through a lot of ranches, cutting some in half, separating the ranch from the owner's house in some, and separating most of the ranch from its source of water in some. Congress just prevented it from going through National WIldlife areas. There will be hundreds of not thousands of lawsuits filed, and the litigation will take years. Trump will be a wad of ashes in a gilded urn long before all of the kinks can be worked out.
I don't believe the wall will ever be built. Even if Trump had full funding now, he still has not procured the land to build it on. It would go through a lot of ranches, cutting some in half, separating the ranch from the owner's house in some, and separating most of the ranch from its source of water in some. Congress just prevented it from going through National WIldlife areas. There will be hundreds of not thousands of lawsuits filed, and the litigation will take years. Trump will be a wad of ashes in a gilded urn long before all of the kinks can be worked out.
There are still suits with ranchers going back decades over earlier wall plans. The trump plan was to build the wall quite a bit inside the border, meaning these ranchers have to give up grazing land. In southern TX and AZ the grazing lands are dry most of the year and it takes far more acres to raise a steer than it does in more temperate climates.
There are still suits with ranchers going back decades over earlier wall plans. The trump plan was to build the wall quite a bit inside the border, meaning these ranchers have to give up grazing land. In southern TX and AZ the grazing lands are dry most of the year and it takes far more acres to raise a steer than it does in more temperate climates.
There have been a hell of a lot more wars fought over water in the Southwest than over land.
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Nice try at downplaying the damage of illegal immigration. Your comparison is laughable to say the least. Illegal immigration costs us over $100 billion a year, loss of jobs reduced wages, overcrowded schools, jails, hospitals, neighborhoods and roads and added crime rates. That hardly compares to a few beggars in the streets cashing in cans for cash.
Most Trump voters did not elect him simply on his stance on illegal immigration. There was much more to it than that but you guys continue to believe that anyway.
The image going along with an act matters at least as much as profit, and easily arguably more so. Even profit-hungry mega-corporations recognize that much. That's why Delta and many other companies terminated their relationship with the NRA, for example. They realize it's more than a matter than "dollars and cents".
BTW, going by dollars and cents alone, and using your figures (source, please?) and assuming 320 million Americans, that works out yearly to $312.50 per person (cradle to dying days), or, if you prefer, $9,091.19 per illegal immigrant ( Source ).
Even going by the high figure and assuming multiple years here, that at most under Texas law a First Degree Felony punishable from 5 to 99 years - pardon the incoherence of trying a federal violation in a state court, but it's easier to get my point across. (In TX, that's stealing property worth $200,000+ ). Yet,the mandatory minimum for illegal entry into the US and staying over a year is 10 years? I have a great deal of difficulty disdaining an ordinary illegal immigrant more than you do someone who (if it happens, lets both hope it never does) bashes someone you're close to with a tire tool.
Source. How the hell is the average illegal immigrant costing the US $40,000/yr per immigrant? So in effect, we're saying that stealing a Rolls Royce or about 8 Toyota Tacoma pickups is less worthy of punishment than an illegal immigrant who stays here for even a little over a year?
And there's more!! The median time served for various forms of sexual Exploitation of children is from five to six years ( Source ). Yet, the mandatory minimum for illegal immigration and staying here for even a little over a year is ten years? This is so out of balance that no sane person can find it rational. Regardless of which crime deserve what sentence, I think surely you can agree that illegal immigration and staying here for a year is MUCH less bad than sexual exploitation of children.
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The dignity of our next door neighbor? WTH? How much dignity did Mexico show us by encouraging their citizens to invade our country illegally and steal from us and cry when we try to return them? A wall is a one time cost while stationing more personnel there is an ongoing expense. The wall is to assist the Border Patrol that we have already there to be able to do their jobs more effectively.
Did China lose their "image to the world" by building the Great Wall of China? Why would any country look at us as being evil for protecting our own borders especially since to date we have had at least 11 million foreigners invade our country illegally? It's only a 700 mile long wall anyway not the entire border. You guys make no sense at all.
Proof that the Mexican government is encouraging illegal immigration or they aren't doing so.
Speaking of laughable, right back at you - this time about ancient China. They built their wall to keep out actual hostile invaders who sought conquest and raiding (i.e., armed robbery writ large). Latin American illegal immigrants typically (no, overwhelmingly) do NOT cross the border armed and certainly not to make a life of robbery, burglary, etc in the USA.
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I don't believe the wall will ever be built. Even if Trump had full funding now, he still has not procured the land to build it on. It would go through a lot of ranches, cutting some in half, separating the ranch from the owner's house in some, and separating most of the ranch from its source of water in some. Congress just prevented it from going through National WIldlife areas. There will be hundreds of not thousands of lawsuits filed, and the litigation will take years. Trump will be a wad of ashes in a gilded urn long before all of the kinks can be worked out.
Not to mention violate certain environmental laws, possibly the Endangered Species Act. The Lower Rio Grande Valley (extreme south tip of TX) is home to among other endangered species, the ocelot, a small feline endangered within its US range. Its population north of the Rio Grande is so small that it's genetically unsustainable - only 50 left in the US ( Source )
Proof that the Mexican government is encouraging illegal immigration or they aren't doing so.
Speaking of laughable, right back at you - this time about ancient China. They built their wall to keep out actual hostile invaders who sought conquest and raiding (i.e., armed robbery writ large). Latin American illegal immigrants typically (no, overwhelmingly) do NOT cross the border armed and certainly not to make a life of robbery, burglary, etc in the USA.
His basis is a confirmed pamphlet the Mexican government put out, emphasizing how to be safe if do try to get into the US.
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Your comparison is laughable to say the least. Illegal immigration costs us over $100 billion a year, loss of jobs reduced wages, overcrowded schools, jails, hospitals, neighborhoods and roads and added crime rates. That hardly compares to a few beggars in the streets cashing in cans for cash. 
