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Old 03-25-2018, 03:33 PM
 
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Keep in mind the effect of 9/11. Fox News screamed about how Muslims are at your door and how we need to grab our guns and invade Iraq to stop them.
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Old 03-25-2018, 03:40 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Your original claim is that all these additional guns are the cause of a decline in crime. If that was true, gun ownership would have had to become more democratic or widespread - that is, spread out over a wider segment of the population. That way, a larger portion of the population would have to have had a gun, with which they could defend themselves.
Not necessarily. Who has personal knowledge of which guns are owned by whom? When there's an uptick of 50% in the number of owned guns, it could be anyone who's prepared to fight back with equal force.

It's the same reason why cities with very strict gun control laws have higher gun crime rates: Chicago, Baltimore, etc. Criminals KNOW their targets/victims are much more likely to be unarmed.
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Old 03-25-2018, 04:17 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Asked of those of whom 85% are registered voters:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/TODAY/z_...0(3-22-18).pdf

And the gun crime statistics mirror those poll results. As gun ownership in the US has increased by 50%, gun homicides have been reduced by 50% and nonfatal violent gun crimes have been reduced by 76%.


The ability to have government statistics available at our finger tips, keeps the lazy ignorant. Or it would be 100% in favor of being able to protect your property, your family and your own life.
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Old 03-25-2018, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Not necessarily. Who has personal knowledge of which guns are owned by whom? When there's an uptick of 50% in the number of owned guns, it could be anyone who's prepared to fight back with equal force.
I just gave you a link with multiple surveys explaining that gun ownership rates have gone down, and you're STILL repeating that useless statistic. And your reply didn't even make one bit of logical sense.

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It's the same reason why cities with very strict gun control laws have higher gun crime rates: Chicago, Baltimore, etc. Criminals KNOW their targets/victims are much more likely to be unarmed.
First of all, in the cities you mentioned, the high murder and other gun crime rates are high largely due to ghetto thugs taking care of business with other ghetto thugs. Those ghetto thugs are MORE likely to be armed. Because that's the modus operandi of ghetto thugs.

Second, it's a fantasy that criminals are less likely to target houses with guns - in fact, there's evidence the opposite is true. Why? Because guns are a valuable thing to steal, that's why.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...384624291.html
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The Walnut Avenue incident is not the first Redlands weapon theft of late. Investigators in the city said they arrested someone a few months ago on suspicion of stealing weapons. The man said he targeted homes with American flags planted out front.

"He was doing that in the belief that those homes were more likely to have guns in them," Carl Barker, Redlands Police spokesman, said.
http://www.ktvb.com/article/news/cri.../277-344333696
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The inmates were asked to respond anonymously to 17 questions detailing how they broke in, when the crime occurred and what they were looking for. ...

2. Once inside, what was the first thing you looked to steal?

Jewelry, electronics, cash and credit cards are all attractive to burglars. Inmates also added collectibles and guns.

“NRA sticker on car bumper = Lots of guns to steal,†wrote one burglar.
Burglars target home that features on controversial gun permit map | Daily Mail Online
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At least two burglars broke into a house in White Plains, New York, on Saturday and headed straight for the gun safe.

The thieves struck just three weeks after the address and home owner's name, registered to a legal firearms permit, was published on the controversial gun map published by the Journal News.

The burglars couldn't open the safe and the owner wasn't at home. But this incident has led to speculation that the map is now being used by criminals for targeted gun theft.
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Old 03-25-2018, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/8255/...-aaron-bandler

While overall gun ownership may have gone down, concealed carry permits have tripled. I believe that the number of people using firearms for hunting is dropping (the decline in the number of hunters is well documented). But at the same time, the ownership of firearms for defense, competition and "range use" has been increasing.

http://content.gallup.com/origin/gal...fn-unxc5pq.gif

Gun ownership by women is at an all time high.

And don't write off millennials, not all are as brain dead as David Hogg.

https://www.bustle.com/p/why-are-mil...e-wonder-79976

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The amount of women with guns in general is substantive enough for there to be a big industry in "concealed-carry" female accessories. Pew Research data from 2017 reveals that 22 percent of American women own guns, but that they tend to buy them later in life; the average age of first gun ownership for women is age 27, compared to an average age of 19 for men. While that's a distinctly different life stage, it's still well within the millennial age range.
Hard to say with certainty, but I suspect some of these polls are as valid as the ones that said Hillary had a 99.9% chance of being president.
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Old 03-26-2018, 12:00 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Poll Results...

March of 2018:

Statement A/does more to increase safety: 58%
Statement B/does more to reduce safety: 38%

October of 1999:

Statement A/does more to increase safety: 41%
Statement B/does more to reduce safety: 52%


The clearest conclusion to draw from this poll: The leftists' strident years of trying to scare people into letting them restrict and ban guns, have flatly failed.

Keep up the good work, lefties! May you have more such success into the future!

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Old 03-26-2018, 05:34 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I just gave you a link with multiple surveys explaining that gun ownership rates have gone down, and you're STILL repeating that useless statistic.
Please STOP lying. The number of guns owned by Americans has increased by 50% over the last 20 years. During that same time frame, the rate of gun homicides has DECREASED by 50% and rate of nonfatal violent gun crimes has DECREASED by 76%.

Americans owning more guns than ever before ISN'T the problem.
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Old 03-26-2018, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Keep in mind the effect of 9/11. Fox News screamed about how Muslims are at your door and how we need to grab our guns and invade Iraq to stop them.
Do you have any articles, or actual quotes to back that up?

NO, you don't. So you're lying.
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Old 03-26-2018, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/8255/...-aaron-bandler

While overall gun ownership may have gone down, concealed carry permits have tripled. I believe that the number of people using firearms for hunting is dropping (the decline in the number of hunters is well documented). But at the same time, the ownership of firearms for defense, competition and "range use" has been increasing.

http://content.gallup.com/origin/gal...fn-unxc5pq.gif

Gun ownership by women is at an all time high.

And don't write off millennials, not all are as brain dead as David Hogg.

https://www.bustle.com/p/why-are-mil...e-wonder-79976



Hard to say with certainty, but I suspect some of these polls are as valid as the ones that said Hillary had a 99.9% chance of being president.
I have a hard time believing any polls on gun ownership, because owning a gun is a personal, private thing that has security implications if someone knows you have a gun. Therefore most people don't answer them, or say it is none of your business or just say no they don't own any.

What I base my position on is what I see at many gun clubs, and public ranges throughout my region. Many more people shooting. Many first time gun owners, and many more women shooters. Also, lots, and lots of AR-15's.
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Old 03-26-2018, 05:52 AM
 
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Keep in mind the effect of 9/11. Fox News screamed about how Muslims are at your door and how we need to grab our guns and invade Iraq to stop them.
Actually, President Bill Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act into law in 1998.

He also was the originator of the "Iraq has WMDs" mantra. Here he is, again, on C-SPAN in 1998 mentioning Iraq's possession and use of chemical, biological, etc., weapons (WMDs):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENAV_UoIfgc
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