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View Poll Results: Should the US military be deployed to the border?
Yes 135 60.54%
No 88 39.46%
Voters: 223. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-04-2018, 11:35 AM
 
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So do they open up on them if they don’t heed warnings in English and Spanish? I believe it’s our right if need be.
No. Because get this-anyone on US soil, legal or illegal, are covered by the Constitution. As such you cant just go shooting unarmed folks.
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:53 AM
 
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Nothing that is happening now meets the definition of "imminent lawless action". Border crossings are actually less now, and the "hordes of immigrants in a caravan" rushing our border was just being used to rile the masses, a big caravan of nothing.
Certainly it does. The organizers of the caravan are even "advertising" their intentions:

Pueblo Sin Fronteras Facebook
To the governments of Central America, Mexico, and the United States of America,
To the media,
To human rights organizations,
To civil society,

We are a group of people from different nations, religions, genders, gender expressions, and sexual orientations migrating and seeking refuge. We seek to become one collective, supporting each other shoulder to shoulder and demonstrating that by uniting we can abolish borders.
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:54 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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No. Because get this-anyone on US soil, legal or illegal, are covered by the Constitution. As such you cant just go shooting unarmed folks.
Sure you can, have you not watched the news lately?
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:56 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Certainly it does. The organizers of the caravan are even "advertising" their intentions:

Pueblo Sin Fronteras Facebook
To the governments of Central America, Mexico, and the United States of America,
To the media,
To human rights organizations,
To civil society,

We are a group of people from different nations, religions, genders, gender expressions, and sexual orientations migrating and seeking refuge. We seek to become one collective, supporting each other shoulder to shoulder and demonstrating that by uniting we can abolish borders.
If Trump or Congress refuses to act to stop this then Impeachment should directly follow as they are violating their oath of office AND our Constitution by allowing a CLEAR invasion...
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Certainly it does. The organizers of the caravan are even "advertising" their intentions:

Pueblo Sin Fronteras Facebook
To the governments of Central America, Mexico, and the United States of America,
To the media,
To human rights organizations,
To civil society,

We are a group of people from different nations, religions, genders, gender expressions, and sexual orientations migrating and seeking refuge. We seek to become one collective, supporting each other shoulder to shoulder and demonstrating that by uniting we can abolish borders.

Yes, around 300 people (max) in the caravan had the intent of coming to the US.


Oh, yes! Call up the military!

Doesn't matter, Mexico has extended an assist to them, and none are coming now.
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Old 04-04-2018, 12:03 PM
 
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Does anyone find it creepy that some nut jobs are talking about having "Rules of Engagement" for US troops operating inside the borders of our country? Some people are sure making a mountain out of mouse **** regarding illegal immigration. Seems to me we have many more important issues that we can get our panties in a wad over.

like?........we have secured the borders of other countries for decades but to control the massive flow of illegal immigration and the drug trafficking that are the causes of so many problems in our poor communities and nation that is costing us billions of dollars is not a priority for you?


Hell! might as well come out for higher taxes to take care of all the social and economic problems of Central and South America countries since this is not a priority for you. Let's hit your pocket and then we shall see if this isn't a priority for you.

Tell that to the parents and families of the victims of crimes by illegal immigrants, drug cartels, and gangs that are not supposed to be here in the first place if that isn't a priority.
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Old 04-04-2018, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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I voted yes but there is one problem ....its not legal for the US military to arrest anyone on the border. The US military can only be used in support of assisting the border patrol.

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The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 prohibits the use of U.S. military forces to perform the tasks of civilian law enforcement such as arrest, apprehension, interrogation, and detention unless explicitly authorized by Congress.
https://www.thoughtco.com/posse-comi...border-3321286
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Old 04-04-2018, 12:09 PM
 
Location: NYC
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it would be a better strategy for Trump to say, he's sending troops directly into Mexico just for shi** and giggles.
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Old 04-04-2018, 12:15 PM
 
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10 U.S. Code § 332 - Use of militia and armed forces to enforce Federal authority:
“Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.”



Trump has every legal power under the constitution to enforce federal laws. Especially cities and states that are obstructing and rebelling against or that is in chaos and the locals can't control it.

President Eisenhower put
Arkansas National Guard under federal control and sent 1,000 U.S. Army paratroopers from the 101st Airborne Division to assist them in restoring order in Little Rock when the Governor and the local police refused to obey federal law and a federal order.

President Lincoln pretty much did the same thing at a higher scale.
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Old 04-04-2018, 12:22 PM
 
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I voted yes but there is one problem ....its not legal for the US military to arrest anyone on the border. The US military can only be used in support of assisting the border patrol.

https://www.thoughtco.com/posse-comi...border-3321286
The organizers of this caravan have publicly stated their goal is to abolish our borders.

The military would not be making arrests, they would be taking prisoners.

in·sur·rec·tion: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government.
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