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Old 05-18-2018, 10:44 PM
 
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Originally Posted by hothulamaui View Post
Not only were coat hanger abortions a fact so was back alley abortions as well as self inflicted harm to end a pregnancy. Women did die it happened in my own family
It happened but not by the numbers they said it did. PP just moved the back alley abortions to main street, women still die and are left sterile or sent to the hospital with medical emergencies when the abortionists bungled them.

Women still are forced to have abortions so there goes choice and are killed by the man who impregnated them doesn't want it.

 
Old 05-18-2018, 10:45 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Gusano View Post
What will happen to all the unwanted extra babies women would be forced to bear?
They will raise them or put them up for adoption.

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What will happen if a woman and/or the fetus dies of complications from a forced pregnancy or childbirth?
There is no "forced" pregnancy. The woman has total control when deciding whether or not to have sex.

Given that any woman cannot know if she will die in childbirth (a rare event), that she might does not play into abortion ethics.

Your logic becomes a parody of itself when you proceed to ask us a "what if" about a hypothetical baby death in childbirth in defense of abortion.
 
Old 05-18-2018, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Pro-forced-birthers care about the fetus. They care nothing about the actual child, as they are typically the same people who want to cut off welfare to these children once they're here. When they're in the womb you love them so much! Once they're through that birth canal, though, they can starve for all you care.
For easy proof of what you mean, earlier this year the Oklahoma Republican House passed a bill to prevent 110,000 single parents from getting Medicaid. Food stamps have been cut.
 
Old 05-18-2018, 10:46 PM
 
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We’ve never taken care of our at risk moms and children. Having more unwanted children as a way to increase social programs is idiotic at best. No the world is not under populated
It's certainly not over populated. That is still a lie.
 
Old 05-18-2018, 10:50 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Rambler123 View Post
So, to be clear, if the right-wing, religious nuts have their way and make women basically slaves to their wombs again,
1. they aren't a slave if they avoid sex when they don't want to procreate.

2. not a convincing argument to justify baby murder.

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I assume the far-right will be stepping up and increasing funding to deal with all the poverty this is going to cause, right?
I assume that the far left will step up and encourage traditional values that advise chastity before marriage, right?

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*crickets*
Nope. Still here, and as loud as ever.

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Oh, yeah - that's right... the far-right only cares about the "rights" of a fetus. Once you're born, to heck with you, especially if you're poor, black, gay, Muslim, etc.
Not a successful baby murder argument.

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Hypocrites.
Right back at you. Your loose morals contribute to most unwanted children.

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This is nothing but using religion to justify law,
No, murder is illegal in every secular society. Your crazy far left politics have broken your moral compass to the point of amnesia.

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which is expressly forbidden by the 1st Amendment and a fundamental violation of everything this nation represents.
Lol... as if the far left believes in "nations".

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I hope the clowns in Iowa and any other states considering this get exactly the suffering they deserve for such traitorous actions.
Says the supporter of murder.
 
Old 05-18-2018, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Um no.

There's this little thing called kidnapping? You may have heard of it. So yeah. Questions.

Or maybe I could just grab a kid from the grocery store and turn him into the police? I'm sure they'd have no questions for me. At all. Not. A. One. Just trust me and take the kid.
You absolutely refused to notice I mentioned newborns only. This is because the law referred to would only apply to newborn babies. Thanks a million for proving to everybody on here how those who want abortion banned don't give a damn about the little baby as soon as it is fully free from the womb.
 
Old 05-18-2018, 10:54 PM
 
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Thanks a million for proving to everybody on here how those who want abortion banned don't give a damn about the little baby as soon as it comes out of the womb.
Its the mother's responsibility to care. That responsibility to care begins with her decision to have sex. It's society's responsibility to stop the murder of human individuals.
 
Old 05-18-2018, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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1. they aren't a slave if they avoid sex when they don't want to procreate.
2. not a convincing argument to justify baby murder.
I assume that the far left will step up and encourage traditional values that advise chastity before marriage, right?
Nope. Still here, and as loud as ever.
Not a successful baby murder argument.
Right back at you. Your loose morals contribute to most unwanted children.
No, murder is illegal in every secular society. Your crazy far left politics have broken your moral compass to the point of amnesia.
Lol... as if the far left believes in "nations".
Says the supporter of murder.
Aborting a non viable fetus is not murder.
 
Old 05-18-2018, 10:56 PM
 
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Its the mother's responsibility to care. That responsibility to care begins with her decision to have sex. It's society's responsibility to stop the murder of human individuals.
But according to you and the other righties, it's not societies responsibility to provide help to babies who are born, just to protect the fetus...what a conundrum
 
Old 05-18-2018, 11:04 PM
 
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It happened but not by the numbers they said it did.
And you know that how????
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Estimates of the number of illegal abortions in the 1950s and 1960s ranged from 200,000 to 1.2 million per year. One analysis, extrapolating from data from North Carolina, concluded that an estimated 829,000 illegal or self-induced abortions occurred in 1967.

One stark indication of the prevalence of illegal abortion was the death toll. In 1930, abortion was listed as the official cause of death for almost 2,700 women—nearly one-fifth (18%) of maternal deaths recorded in that year. The death toll had declined to just under 1,700 by 1940, and to just over 300 by 1950 (most likely because of the introduction of antibiotics in the 1940s, which permitted more effective treatment of the infections that frequently developed after illegal abortion). By 1965, the number of deaths due to illegal abortion had fallen to just under 200, but illegal abortion still accounted for 17% of all deaths attributed to pregnancy and childbirth that year. And these are just the number that were officially reported; the actual number was likely much higher. https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2003/...st-be-prologue
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PP just moved the back alley abortions to main street, women still die and are left sterile or sent to the hospital with medical emergencies when the abortionists bungled them.
Women still are forced to have abortions so there goes choice and are killed by the man who impregnated them doesn't want it.
Nonsense

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women are actually 14 times more likely to die during or after delivery than as a result of complications from abortion. Why Abortion Is Less Risky than Childbirth | TIME.com
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