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Old 05-18-2018, 07:53 PM
 
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Quora - so not authoritative:

https://www.quora.com/How-many-round...ire-per-minute

Top Three-Gun competitors can indeed pull the trigger three times a second — for short periods of time. ..most modern semiautos use 30-round magazines, which means the mag would have to be changed six times to reach the magic 180 number. An expert can change a mag on some rifles in about two to three seconds (depending on the gun and how he/she has staged the mags), but that’s still 12–18 seconds of lost shooting time per minute. So a maximum theoretical rate of about 138 rounds per minute... That sort of firing generates tremendous amounts of heat as well"

So, based on above, the rate can be reached if, like the Las Vegas shooter, you have other guns handy and swap out.
So could an amateur get off maybe 75-80 rounds a minute with an AR-15? More, I assume, if he's got a bump stock?

Even that is pretty decent firepower.
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Old 05-18-2018, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The Las Vegas shooter used SureFire 100 round magazines... and Surefire supports the 150 rounds in 15 seconds claim.

https://www.militarytimes.com/off-du...fle-magazines/

"I spoke with Derek McDonald, Surefire's VP of Marketing, who called them "anti-ambush mags" because of the uninterrupted firepower they can provide during the critical, first 30 seconds of an ambush. He said, and later wrote in a press release, that "it takes the average soldier about 4 seconds to reload their weapon and reacquire a target. So, based on the rate of fire of a full-auto rifle, using 30-round magazines means a soldier can fire 150 rounds max in 30 seconds. But, with our 60-round mag he can fire 240 rounds in 30 seconds. And, 100-round magazine means about 300 rounds in the same time."


wow, didn't know the magazines were the firing mechanism


fact..how fast a magazine can feed...has zero to do with haw fast the weapon can fire....

or how about the fact that the military banned Surefire and other like polymer magazines...because of improper feeding and advertising, and not approved by TACOM
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Old 05-18-2018, 08:00 PM
 
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So could an amateur get off maybe 75-80 rounds a minute with an AR-15? More, I assume, if he's got a bump stock?

Even that is pretty decent firepower.
no

at max, a well trained Soldier can fire about 45-65 rounds per minute , an amateur will fumble with the mag change

most magazines are the shorties (20) or the banana (30)....the bigger ones...extremely pricy

the banana magazine is over 30-40 dollars EACH

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Old 05-18-2018, 08:48 PM
 
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no

max a trained Soldier is about 45-65 rounds per minute , an amateur will fumble with the mag change

most magazines are the shorties (20) or the banana (30)....the bigger ones...extremely pricy

the banana magazine is over 30-40 dollars EACH
Interesting. If they are that slow you have to wonder why they have been so popular with these so-called mass shooters.
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Old 05-18-2018, 09:01 PM
 
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Interesting. If they are that slow you have to wonder why they have been so popular with these so-called mass shooters.
it is not really slow

the ar15 is still a bolt action rifle...just semi-automatic

where a highly skilled shooter can only action a level or manual bolt once every 2-3 seconds... with semi-automatic, you talk that manual muscular movement away

an ar15 can do about 60 rounds per minute...that is 1 round per second


the ar15 which is .223 cal - a small round (most are chambered in .223 not 5.56 which is a little higher in power, but still a small size) is not really accurate at any distance unless you have practiced AND zero'd your weapon (eyes to sights)

its popular because its easy to use...easy to clean, work on, plenty of parts available....oh and it looks cool to have a weapon that LOOKS like a military weapon (even though it is not)
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Old 05-18-2018, 09:15 PM
 
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Is he a member? What a disgrace to see a good journalist lower himself in that way, people lie all the time and this type of confrontation is ridiculous.

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Old 05-18-2018, 09:40 PM
 
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It won't hit that rate of fire without a bump stock.
Won't hit that rate of fire with a bumpstock either...
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Old 05-18-2018, 09:51 PM
 
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wow, didn't know the magazines were the firing mechanism


fact..how fast a magazine can feed...has zero to do with haw fast the weapon can fire....

or how about the fact that the military banned Surefire and other like polymer magazines...because of improper feeding and advertising, and not approved by TACOM
Never mind the gas tube melting and blowing out...

Unless it's made of titanium or inconel.
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:05 PM
 
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Old 05-18-2018, 11:02 PM
 
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"nothing can be done about gun violence in America" despite the FACT that every single other developed nation has addressed the problem, and many of them still have plenty of guns.
You mean Australia and other European countries? Unlike the US, they don't have a population of over 325 million people.

Plus cities like Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago, St Louis, Oakland, are some of the most dangerous cities in the country. They heavily contribute to the gun violence.
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