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Old 05-25-2018, 03:37 PM
 
Location: USA
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If Jeb Bush had had a history of receiving money from foreign oligarchs and had hired grifters who had done the bidding of those oligarchs, the answer is yes.
Exactly.

The excuses from the far-right are astounding. Not one of them, if they were being honest, would trust Trump with their money, house, or wife, but they make every excuse to defend him.

Just admit that you were wrong, Trumpers. You can still be a Republican without having to mindlessly support Trump and whatever stooge the party nominates for president.
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Old 05-25-2018, 03:40 PM
 
Location: USA
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Jeb is a Washington insider. Trump is not. The powerful aren't happy when outsiders threaten to expose their secrets. And it isn't just the left fighting against him.
Um, Trump is just as much as an "insider" as anyone else at that level is.

Seriously, where did this illusion of Trump being some "honest, hard-working man" come from? He was born to powerful, connected people with a silver spoon in his mouth. He squandered his inheritance and used countless connections to bully his way past any consequences for his actions. It is astounding to watch those on the right complain about "out of touch leaders who do whatever they want" as they then vote for Trump, one of the most out of touch people ever to run for office and who has a long history of doing whatever he wants.

Trump IS the problem, and he IS an insider. Just because he didn't bother to run for office until recently doesn't mean he's not connected! Come on!
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Old 05-25-2018, 06:17 PM
 
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The only ones that got far that I think weren't RINOs (AKA Deep State "Republican" allies) were Rand Paul and Ted Cruz. Rubio may be stronger than Jeb or Kasich but he was compromised by Gang of Eight (and who knows what else) and so could have been controlled by the Democrats, Boss McConnell, and Lyin Ryan, not to mention big pocketed open borders corporatist donors.

Had Ted Cruz or Rand Paul won, they too would be under a KGB-style "investigation" courtesy of the Deep State.

I don't know about Rand Paul, but if Cruz had won, he wouldn't be giving them ammo so much on Twitter to use like Trump does. Cruz would make the press beg for mercy after trying to pull a fast one on him and him making a fool of them.


I think Rand Paul and Cruz would have been better at economic issues and more pro-freedom, though do think that Rand Paul might possibly, in some areas, be WORSE at foreign policy than Trump, let alone Cruz (to Trump's credit, I think he's the best President we've had on foreign policy since Ronald Reagan).
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Old 05-26-2018, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Avignon, France
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What "Russian collusion?"
The Russian collusion that HRC used to try and discredit Trump.
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Old 05-26-2018, 02:21 PM
 
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Would the DOJ and FBI still treated their campaigns the way they treated Trumps? In other words, say Jeb Bush had defeated Trump and was the Republican candidate for November 2016, would Comey, Clapper, Brennan, McCabe, etc., still have spied on the Bush campaign, or seeked out FISA Warrents for people in Bush's camp?
The DOJ treated Trump's campaign in a way that he should be grateful for. They withheld from the public the fact that they were accumulating so much dirt on him, yet they created doubt in the public mind about Hillary.

You seem unaware of the fact that Trump was investigated because there was already so much information about connected wrong-doing. That presumably would not have existed with Jeb Bush.
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Old 05-26-2018, 02:51 PM
 
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The DOJ treated Trump's campaign in a way that he should be grateful for. They withheld from the public the fact that they were accumulating so much dirt on him, yet they created doubt in the public mind about Hillary.

You seem unaware of the fact that Trump was investigated because there was already so much information about connected wrong-doing. That presumably would not have existed with Jeb Bush.
That Kool-Ade must taste great....because you're drinking all of it!

Have you not even noticed how the Dems themselves are backing away from all of it because even they see that it's ll backfiring? They are scared because all the bad stuff actually happened on their end!
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Old 05-27-2018, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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That Kool-Ade must taste great....because you're drinking all of it!

Have you not even noticed how the Dems themselves are backing away from all of it because even they see that it's ll backfiring? They are scared because all the bad stuff actually happened on their end!
Nope, haven't noticed any of that because the investigation is not "backfiring." I know it seems impossible to judge by the standards of the current White House, but no leaks is actually a good thing, the sign of a strong, effective and competent leader. And we know that desperate allegations flung by Trump and his acolytes are pathetic attempts at distraction and deflection. History has shown that Trump and the Republicans tend to be guilty of the things they accuse others of.
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Old 05-27-2018, 02:11 PM
 
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Would the DOJ and FBI still treated their campaigns the way they treated Trumps? In other words, say Jeb Bush had defeated Trump and was the Republican candidate for November 2016, would Comey, Clapper, Brennan, McCabe, etc., still have spied on the Bush campaign, or seeked out FISA Warrents for people in Bush's camp?
If multiple people in Jeb's campaign were caught in contact with Russia then yes.
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