Honestly, why doesn't the govt just give everyone health benefits? (brainwash, Somali)

[English Dave]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

and MY health care is even cheaper


annual doctor visit....less than $200.....

Henry Rifle about $800

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

uhc for 330 million will cost about 6-7 trillion dollars (which will increase year after year)

we dont have that type of government revenue

You got yours huh? Workingclasshero...... change your name.

You've got plenty of money for missiles haven't ya? Try spending some of that on tax payers who need UHC.

[English Dave]

Originally Posted by Weichert

I have been on Medicare for 8 years. And I've never had one problem with it. Never. And that includes lots of exams, tests, even a 3 day stay in the hospital. Not one issue.

It is surprisingly good health insurance. Hassle free also.

I have to admit I was more than skeptical when I first signed up for it. But seeing it up-close and using it over the years is believing in it.

At last....... someone who talks sense!

[Kracer]

Originally Posted by Zengha

The whole dealing with insurance companies is insane. Heck, even if you are paying for it you still have to pay a deductible and HOPE your insurance covers whatever it is you need done. This is insane! From birth, everyone should automatically have all the access one needs without having to pay a dime. Every person should be able to walk into any hospital whenever and get whatever procedure/surgery etc. is needed without paying anything. We certainly could do it if we stopped all these stupid wars that our politicians constantly jack off to while watching us kill innocent men women and children and destroying everything.

Other than greed, is there any good reason we can't shut down all these health insurance companies and just have the govt itself foot the bill for every persons healthcare needs? God forbid rich people only have 50-100K to live off of compared to millions/billions.

the goorement is incapable of managing healthcare.

[English Dave]

Originally Posted by Kracer

the goorement is incapable of managing healthcare.

You're slurring your words. Go see a doctor.

[Weichert]

Originally Posted by Kracer

the goorement is incapable of managing healthcare.

Don't know about goorement.

But Medicare is very well run. Everyone I know thats on it really likes it. Myself included.

[McGowdog]

Originally Posted by Rocko20

Why stop at healthcare? Why doesn’t the government just give everyone free eye care, dental, 5 Ferrari’s, $100K minimum wage, mansion, private plane, and a yacht?

We’re Americans and our country owes us everything. It’s in the constitution. Life, liberty, and the entitled of free crap.

Become a Congresswoman

[Nanny Goat]

Part of the reason healthcare is so expensive is so much is done unnecessarily. Too many diagnostics, too many meds, too many unnecessary treatments. Everything is medicalized. Every bump, bruise and blister is a catastrophe that needs to be treated in the medical system's way of doing business.

[Pretzelogik]

Take a look at income tax rates in any of the "socialized paradises" on the planet. Medical care is NEVER free.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by Nanny Goat

Part of the reason healthcare is so expensive is so much is done unnecessarily. Too many diagnostics, too many meds, too many unnecessary treatments. Everything is medicalized. Every bump, bruise and blister is a catastrophe that needs to be treated in the medical system's way of doing business.

correct... and much of it , government, directed

the FDA is quite possibly the worst organization in our government and is one of the main reasons that healthcare is so expensive.


our government...will NOT have cheap health care.....NEVER..... everything our government puts its greedy hands on goes to crap


anyone arguing for singlepayer of UHC, is just fooling themselves

BTW...medicare/and medicaid deny Viagra.....so you can kiss the thought of lower prices away



the FDA (our government) is a major part of the problem, along with AMA, AHA, VA, medicare/Medicaid(they are full of denial of service)

I was injured in Iraq..(my back)..the VA (government ) wanted FUSING, would not approve the disc replacement...yet BCBS (private ) would PAY FOR IT overseas (except for travel and lodging)it wasnt until dec 2004 that the fda approved it for single level...still the VA and tricare (government ) would not do it (said it was 'experimental'..even though it had been successful in Europe for nearly 3 decades)...FINALLY I won the battle against the government and had my back surgery in 2007

the lumbar DISC REPLACEMENT surgery was done in Europe for nearly 30 years before the FDA approved for it to be done here

and its BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT (especially the FDA)...believe me government care is not what the basic American wants

its the way the government works....and it sucks
here what I went through:
va patient needs a MRI...the government (va) NOPE use an xray...first time
2. xray doesn't show much..patient needs an MRI...the government (va) use the xray...you have DDD
3. patient doc I am in pain,,are you sure its DDD..doc the xray shows some funny spaces, could be DDD or could be something else...let's ask for a MRI..the government nope lets xray (each xray is RADIATING the person btw)...again funny spacing...must be DDD
4. same
5. same
6. same
7. same
8 same
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15 same
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23 same

23 times with the VA xray...its DDD(degenerative disc disease)


got to the doctor and PAY FOR THE MRI out of pocket...and we find out its... one CRUSHED disc, and 2 ruptured discs....now choices...the government(va) FUSION and still have pain, and limited movement(because at the time the FDA would not allow the replacement that had been being done in europe for 30 years)(the FDA finally approved single level artificial discs in 2004, (the va and tri-care refused saying it was 'experimental"))...or non-government(blue cross) which would have covered me to fly to Europe to get it (minus lodging and the airfair) .....4 years of big pain, before my battle was won against the government

and medicare……. will deny lumbar artificial disc replacement.... not allowed (guess they see no need for people to not have back pain)…. keep in mind this operation has been done, successfully, in Europe for 35 years

the best thing I ever had was that surgery, made me feel 10 years younger..... yet our government says no....

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) has found that lumbar artificial disc replacement (LADR) with the Charite lumbar artificial disc is not reasonable and necessary for the Medicare population over sixty years of age. Therefore, we are issuing a national noncoverage determination for LADR with the Charite lumbar artificial disc for the Medicare population over sixty years of age. For Medicare beneficiaries sixty years of age and under, there is no national coverage determination, leaving such determinations to be made on a local basis.
https://www.cms.gov/medicare-coverag...=AAAAAAAAEAAA&

.....we are behind and more costly, because of GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS

[PCALMike]

Originally Posted by Pretzelogik

Take a look at income tax rates in any of the "socialized paradises" on the planet. Medical care is NEVER free.

They pay about $4000 a year in health care taxes per person. We pay about $4700 a year in health care taxes per person (Medicare, Medicaid, VA, private insurance for public employees etc).