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View Poll Results: Do You Believe That Women Gaining The Right To Vote Brought Us Today's Welfare State?
Yes 23 20.91%
No 87 79.09%
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Old 06-29-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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Yes , that is a clue

Of course men do not give birth. For pretty much the beginning of mankind, whats "has been" a women role ?
To birth and take care of the children? Correct? What has been a mans role? Well, it was to gather resources and protect. This has been the staple fore 98% of mankind. This has changed in the 20th century. Why? What has changed significantly in the 20th century? Well, the women's right to vote has. This is where we see a social change of women's roles. Women want to be taken care of. Well now thats why a lot of women vote socialism so the "government" can take care of them , instead of a "man".... problem is. Thats someone else money thats being used to take care of them.
Again, you are falling into the trap of applying correlations that you see as the causation of problems. There are many things that have changed the world we live in and the roles we serve. You would have to do a deeper dive and show a lot more research to make your suppositions more plausible.

Spurious Correlations

Examples of the sort of correlation level you are at now are on shown on that site. You can't just look at time and say these things happened at the same time and assume one caused the other.
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Old 06-29-2018, 12:26 PM
 
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Lord I thought this might be interesting but its the same old BS.




Don't you think you should shift some of your judgment to the men who abandon their children and do not provide for them creating a need for government assistance so those children don't live in the street.

Women have a choice to pick a man to be the father of their children.

If that man turns out to be a dirt bag, then the government/tax payer has to pick up the tab for the bad choice/decisions made? It is equally a bad decision for the women as it is for the man. Social changes have led to record homes without fathers. Children are not being raised in a 2 parent home. They are being raised by the government. Why do you think the majority of millennials support socialism and act the way they are???? They grew up on social services and the government raising them. Thats why.

Fyi ......I do believe in child support for dead beat dads
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Old 06-29-2018, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Not being sexist. Just asking for opinions. I read about this a while back.


After the 19th amendment was passed. Women gained the right to vote. 100 years later we have one of the largest welfare states in the World.

Women tend to vote for big government, and the party of big government.

Women are now relying on the government to raise them, and their children. Men are sometimes punished through the court system with no visitation , and or high child support payments. Women no longer get married. They would much rather have the government give them forced redistribution of resources rather than get married and have a man provide.


Agree , disagree.? Yes not maybe so? Let go
Are you a believer in " mass immaculate conception" ?

Last I checked it took a male and female engaging in unprotected sex to create a baby.
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Old 06-29-2018, 12:29 PM
 
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Yes , that is a clue

Of course men do not give birth. For pretty much the beginning of mankind, whats "has been" a women role ?
To birth and take care of the children? Correct? What has been a mans role? Well, it was to gather resources and protect. This has been the staple fore 98% of mankind. This has changed in the 20th century. Why? What has changed significantly in the 20th century? Well, the women's right to vote has. This is where we see a social change of women's roles. Women want to be taken care of. Well now thats why a lot of women vote socialism so the "government" can take care of them , instead of a "man".... problem is. Thats someone else money thats being used to take care of them.
Women have always been communal. They use a social network to support their children and other women, that's just how nature made us, and here we are. Without us, there would be no YOU so I am guessing you have to deal with it as I'm sure your wife has told you on many occasions. lol

A society is the aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community.

synonyms: the community, the (general) public, the people, the population; More
2.
an organization or club formed for a particular purpose or activity.

I believe we were needed, and hence our vote became meaningful or else I wouldn't be voting today. Which I might add is a better functioning society than it was before I could vote. The world is actually safer than it's ever been, CNN and FOX's version excluded. I'm proud to have contributed to that. You're welcome.
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Old 06-29-2018, 12:33 PM
 
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I don't know if this is true but I heard that years ago black pastors in churches would tell black women that you don't need a man around because if you don't have a man around you can collect money from the government. So don't get married because then you will have more difficulty getting government assistance.

Black families were probably some of the strongest families around because you had to stick together in tough/racist times. But then suddenly the family ties fell apart.
where the hell did you hear this?

why would a pastor tell a woman she doesn't need a man when 99% of pastors push marriage and men being the head of households every other week at church?

and there are more whites on welfare than Blacks.
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Old 06-29-2018, 12:42 PM
 
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Well , according to this study. Whenever welfare reform was enacted, this increased the likelihood of women voting by about 4 percentage points, which translates to about a 10% increase relative to the baseline mean.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w22052.pdf


Apparently data shows this.

Did you bother to read the study you used as supporting evidence?


Welfare reform CUT welfare benefits. According to the authors (BTW this study did not have any peer review) work requirements contributed to women on welfare engaging in more mainstream behaviors, voting being one of them. This was in 1997.


None of this supports your assertion that women gaining the vote in 1920 has lead to a welfare state.
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Old 06-29-2018, 12:44 PM
 
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Did you bother to read the study you used as supporting evidence?


Welfare reform CUT welfare benefits. According to the authors (BTW this study did not have any peer review) work requirements contributed to women on welfare engaging in more mainstream behaviors, voting being one of them. This was in 1997.


None of this supports your assertion that women gaining the vote in 1920 has lead to a welfare state.
I posted more articles after that one. That article concludes that women go out and vote more when their welfare is cut or reformed.
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Old 06-29-2018, 12:44 PM
 
Location: London
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Thank You! They vote for socialism more which leads to welfare.
It is evident that you either don't know what socialism actually is, or you're deliberately misusing the word.
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Old 06-29-2018, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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No, that was due to the state's allowing poorer people to vote...a long time ago.
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Old 06-29-2018, 12:46 PM
 
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Well the DATA and FACTS support otherwise . Calling someone sexist doesn't win the argument.... haven't you learned from the 2016 election?
What data and facts?????????
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