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Old 07-24-2018, 07:45 AM
 
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In the final analysis, is the planet warming? It doesn't matter. If it is warming, is it caused by Man? It doesn't matter.


Why doesn't it matter? It has to matter!

It doesn't matter because we are simply NOT rolling back the Industrial Revolution to fix it. We are not going back in time, we are not going to refrain from using fossil fuels, and above all, we are not going to engage in global tyrannical redistribution of wealth. None of that is going to happen.


We are going to adapt to the new conditions. That IS what is going to happen. And that is what IS happening now.


Even if billions die, we are not going to accept tyranny or theft as a way of life. Better dead. A life of tyranny and redistribution is not a life worth living, and not a life worth leaving, to our children and grandchildren.
Isn't that what a tyrant would think? Greed over human lives?
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Old 07-24-2018, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Originally Posted by Marc Paolella View Post
In the final analysis, is the planet warming? It doesn't matter. If it is warming, is it caused by Man? It doesn't matter.


Why doesn't it matter? It has to matter!

It doesn't matter because we are simply NOT rolling back the Industrial Revolution to fix it. We are not going back in time, we are not going to refrain from using fossil fuels, and above all, we are not going to engage in global tyrannical redistribution of wealth. None of that is going to happen.


We are going to adapt to the new conditions. That IS what is going to happen. And that is what IS happening now.


Even if billions die, we are not going to accept tyranny or theft as a way of life. Better dead. A life of tyranny and redistribution is not a life worth living, and not a life worth leaving, to our children and grandchildren.
This deserves to be repeated.
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Old 07-24-2018, 08:33 AM
 
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Isn't that what a tyrant would think? Greed over human lives?
No, that is how a moral man would think. A moral man values a free life over an enslaved life. A moral man would rather die, than be enslaved.
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Old 07-24-2018, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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More signs of global warming. I expect the same nonsense, inanities, and vacuous comments from the Global Warming denialists. The rising worldwide temperatures are what are predicted from anthropological climate change. The science is settled on this matter.

The purpose of this thread is to point out the trends. If you care about future generations, you will want action taken immediately. If not, I suppose they can just burn.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...cid=spartanntp


the world has been warming since the peak of the last major ice age 17,000 years ago...


its part of a natural cycle of glacial and inter-glacial periods
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Old 07-24-2018, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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No, that is how a moral man would think. A moral man values a free life over an enslaved life. A moral man would rather die, than be enslaved.
That's quitters talk. Alive is better than dead - no exceptions.
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Old 07-24-2018, 08:46 AM
 
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That's quitters talk. Alive is better than dead - no exceptions.
Not really. It’s just what we are programmed to do. Survival instincts and all that.
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Old 07-24-2018, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Not really. It’s just what we are programmed to do. Survival instincts and all that.
Not sure what you mean - choosing to die, is a survival instinct?
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Old 07-24-2018, 08:59 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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In 1954, when I was 6, we had 13 days in a row above 100 degrees, the hottest was 113. This has been a hotter than normal summer and we have hit 100 once. Right now we are in the upper 80s daily and lower 60s at night, and it is supposed to last another 7-10 days.
I assume that was in the Midwest.

In the Northeast, NYC to be exact, we had a "four summers in a row" streak of breaking 100°. 1953 was particularly hot; the only year we hit 100° in September. We did so in July as well. Two hurricanes, I think Donna and Hazel, broke the streak during August 1955. 1956, 1958 and 1960 were cool. 1957, 1959 were quite hot; I think 1957 actually broke 100°. I wouldn't remember; I was about four months old when that happened.
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Old 07-24-2018, 09:03 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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I burn wood for heat, I burn my garbage, and I drive what I please.
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I don’t judge anyone. I do what I do mostly because of my own values that just happen to align with these climate change hucksters. I just believe in using less and efficiency.
There is a difference between liberal AGW hucksterism (See Decarpio and 400 foot yachts) and being a good steward of the earth. See, even conservatives can do it. Well some can.
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Old 07-24-2018, 09:10 AM
 
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It's ironic that "conservation" and "conservatism" both have the same Latin root conservare "to keep, preserve, keep intact, guard". Conserving our atmosphere and our natural resources and the integrity of the planet that sustains us is now somehow a "liberal" idea. Weirdly, so called conservatives have also now become haters of science and intellectualism. Funny what populism and propaganda can do to the human mind.
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