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Old 07-06-2018, 02:21 PM
 
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Free Expression is a First Amendment Right. Passing a law that forces anyone to pay taxes that fund abortions is unconstitutional if it violates their religious beliefs.
Where Religions Stand on Abortion - Pew Research
Of course, the same wouldn't be true of funding wars because throughout history, religion has been the reason for waging war many times, e.g., the Crusades, the Children's Crusade, the Buddhist Uprising, the Lebanese Civil War (Sunnis vs. Shiites), the French Wars of Religion, etc.
Really lousy response. Mennonites and Quakers refuse to fight in wars and believe that engaging in or funding a war is sinful but they still have to pay taxes.
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Old 07-06-2018, 02:23 PM
 
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The only thing the Bible has to say about abortion is how to get one at the temple...
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Old 07-06-2018, 02:25 PM
 
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Really lousy response.
No, it's not. Constitutional Rights supersede state laws. Supremacy Clause, Article VI. We're talking about states taxing people to fund abortions, remember?
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Old 07-06-2018, 02:28 PM
 
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No, it's not. Constitutional Rights supersede state laws. Supremacy Clause, Article VI. We're talking about states taxing people to fund abortions, remember?
I read that twice and it still makes no sense.
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Old 07-06-2018, 02:38 PM
 
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The poll reveals that the breakdowns have stayed pretty consistent over the past 30 years. In 1990 the legal only under certain circumstances category stood at 50%. In 2018, it stood at 50%.

The same goes with the other categories.

There has been no landslide change of support for any side in a long time.
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Old 07-06-2018, 02:39 PM
 
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I read that twice and it still makes no sense.
In 17 states, Medicaid pays for abortions using state tax revenue, not federal funding. That's unconstitutional. Supremacy Clause:

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

It's why the Colorado baker won at SCOTUS. Kennedy, from the majority 7-2 SCOTUS opinion:

"The government, consistent with the Constitution's guarantee of free exercise, cannot impose regulations that are hostile to the religious beliefs of affected citizens and cannot act in a manner that passes judgment upon or presupposes the illegitimacy of religious beliefs and practices"

Two prohibitions there. Cannot impose in the first place, and then cannot act to enforce that imposition.

The Hyde Amendment blocks federal funds from being used to pay for abortion outside of the exceptions for rape, incest, or if the pregnancy is determined to endanger the woman’s life. But some states have enacted regulations that fund abortions beyond the Hyde Amendment restrictions with state tax revenue. For some people, that's a violation of their Constitutional Rights.
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Old 07-06-2018, 02:40 PM
 
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Really lousy response. Mennonites and Quakers refuse to fight in wars and believe that engaging in or funding a war is sinful but they still have to pay taxes.
There are people that believe all life is sacred, according to their religious beliefs. They pay taxes, and some of those taxes fund things that (inadvertently, usually) kill things (e.g. damming a river valley to build a public utility).

How far do we want to take this logic?
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Old 07-06-2018, 02:42 PM
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Again, remember the title of the thread: Gallup - Not much support for unlimited access to abortions

Less than half of Americans support abortions conducted when the woman doesn't want the child "for any reason," and there is a sizable falloff in support for this from the first trimester (45%) to the third (20%). The public doesn't support abortions performed for the sake of convenience.
I have heard maybe 2 people in my entire life argue for unlimited abortion, so what was your point ?
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Old 07-06-2018, 02:50 PM
 
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I have heard maybe 2 people in my entire life argue for unlimited abortion, so what was your point ?
Welcome to abortion debates. This straw man argument always comes up.
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Old 07-06-2018, 02:57 PM
 
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There are people that believe all life is sacred, according to their religious beliefs. They pay taxes, and some of those taxes fund things that (inadvertently, usually) kill things (e.g. damming a river valley to build a public utility).

How far do we want to take this logic?
Another poster mentioned the Quakers. And while they are pacifists, they also participate in the war effort, so taxing them to pay for war is justified. The Quakers formed unarmed pacifist units to supply relief to refugees and ambulances to drive in battle zones picking up the wounded in WWII. The Quakers were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1947 for this work.
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