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Old 07-31-2018, 08:54 AM
 
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Will you benefit when your Medicare, Social Security is cut as well? Or if you get disabled and you're stuck with crumbs in public support because funding was cut to pay for tax breaks for the rich?

I doubt you are some big shot investor. If you are not, you are going to lose overall. But you are fine with that I guess. As long as the donor class get what they paid for when Trump hired Goldman Sachs Mnuchin as his campaign finance chief.

"Will you benefit when your Medicare, Social Security is cut as well? When is "when"?
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Old 07-31-2018, 08:56 AM
 
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Very unlikely that every conservative is on board with yet another big tax cut for the donor class to increase the debt and cut Medicare and Social Security.

Trying to bypass Congress by doing it as well is cheeky.
"yet another big tax cut for the donor class to increase the debt"

I'd bet you NEVER complained when Obama and the dems increased the debt.

"Trying to bypass Congress by doing it as well is cheeky"

Obam signed MORE EO/EMs bypassing Congress then ANY other President in history.

I'd bet you NEVER complained when Obama did it. Why NOW?

Why is that?
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:06 AM
 
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I'm not rich, but I have a vacation property that I will be selling. This would be a real break for me. God bless Trump!
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If you have a few million to spend on a vacation property, you are rich.
Only a lib would make such a claim that just because someone has a vacation place, that it is worth a million!

You can get vacation places by me for less then $150,000 near the ocean.
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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Again, I'm not jealous of those wealthier than me. You do not have to be super wealthy to live comfortably, and you really shouldn't be jealous of those with excess wealth as money doesn't buy happiness anyways. I have no intention on relying on any government programs. They'll be icing on the cake, but I'll live off my own accumulated assets.
It ain’t about being jealous. This is about ONE very obvious intent: this is some cooked up scheme to give the already wealthy even more money. It’s a bunch of BS. All of a sudden in 2018, it’s somehow a huge priority to save the wealthy from inflation? Get outta here.
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:30 AM
 
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Well it seems that since corporations had up to a 15% reduction in their bottom they could have passed on some of those gains to middle class workers. It doesn't appear that CEO's have a problem with stagnant wages, is there an executive shortage driving up their wages.

Who exactly do you think is requesting the H-1B visas, yes its the same people that will gain the largest benefit from this proposal.

This is just an attempt at an end around the capital gains rate, if they want to reduce the rate just do it through congress the old fashioned way rather than this convoluted proposal by Mnuchin. Its a reduction in capital gains anyway you look at it.
Any company with ANY business sense, will reinvest that 15% into their company, not give it away to it's employees. Which in turn will mean more manager level positions in that company as they expand. But you'd actually have to work for that position/pay increase.


To think that a company would just give their low level employees a pay rise is beyond naive. That is business suicide.

The ONLY thing that will increase minimum wage is the market force of supply and demand. Stop illegal immigration FFS
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:33 AM
 
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Why are you so concerned about the rich, have they been suffering the last 30 years. Like Warren Buffet says, the war between the rich and poor is over and the wealthy won.
Funny you have the audacity to call out my concern. I couldn't care less about them.

You on the other hand are so jealous and vile that you want to murder them for their money.
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:34 AM
 
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It ain’t about being jealous. This is about ONE very obvious intent: this is some cooked up scheme to give the already wealthy even more money. It’s a bunch of BS. All of a sudden in 2018, it’s somehow a huge priority to save the wealthy from inflation? Get outta here.

As you've been told a million times. No one is GIVING anyone money. Investors would get to KEEP more of THEIR money.


In other words, the government would get to STEAL less money from investors.
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:35 AM
 
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Stagnant wages are due to supply and demand. Think H-1B abuse and illegal immigration.
Supply and demand my ass. That’s not why wages are stagnant, and you know it.

Alan Greenspan spilled the beans years ago: employee insecurity keeps wages in the toilet.

If we’re gonna codify saving the wealthy by protecting them from inflation, then I want a similar law put on the books that employers must give mandatory pay raises to keep up with inflation.
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:40 AM
 
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I don't blame you for not admitting you were played for fools by Trump.
Pretty much the same reason that Trump has to remain loyal to Putin instead of America. If he were to admit that Russia interfered to hand him the election, he would be admitting he is not a legit president. His lapdog followers have all put themselves out there too much to go back now and admit he's a con artist. That would require them putting country ahead of their own ego, and we know that ain't gonna happen.
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:42 AM
 
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Supply and demand my ass. That’s not why wages are stagnant, and you know it.

Alan Greenspan spilled the beans years ago: employee insecurity keeps wages in the toilet.

If we’re gonna codify saving the wealthy by protecting them from inflation, then I want a similar law put on the books that employers must give mandatory pay raises to keep up with inflation.

Employee insecurity is just another way of describing supply and demand. Employees have plenty of security if they know their boss can't find anyone to replace them.


If you want a pay raise for minimum wage earners, do it the right way be decreasing supply (illegal immigration). Stop stealing from those who are doing better. After all, they are the ones who pay relatively HUGE amounts of tax.



In a nut shell, if you're not paying federal tax in the range of $50K per year, you're leaching of those that do, and as such you do not deserve any tax breaks. You need to be paying more not less.
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