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I support strong restrictions on immigration (like every other developed country) and universal health care (like every other developed country).
I recognize a basic economic fact: “You can have open borders, or you can have a welfare state; you can’t have both.” — Milton Friedman
What does that make me? Liberal or conservative?
You're illustrating quite well the insanity that is the two-party system.
Of course it insane to think that all political beliefs could be binned into only two groups. Political beliefs are a spectrum as it is - and then when you attempt to think of all of the possible belief combinations, the amount of political variation it's nearly limitless.
Just believe what you want, and ignore labels. Vote for whatever politician aligns most with your beliefs. Don't vote for the party, vote for yourself and for the country.
This is from a US senator about a bill he voted for
tightened border security; created a tough but fair path to citizenship for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants already living in the United States; deployed a quick and effective employment verification system for businesses to prevent identity theft and prevent future illegal hires; and pioneered an improved process to admit foreign workers that does not harm employment opportunities for American workers.
He's a Democrat from Connecticut. This illustrates how most Democrats feel. We'll give in and let the illegals who are already established here a break but we want e-verify to keep new illegals from being hired and to prevent identity theft. We want tighter border control but not a wall.
We want to admit some LEGAL immigrants as long as it doesn't harm Americans.
We want national health insurance --and it doesn't end if you lose your job or become self employed.
Probably a lot of conservatives feel just about the same because most Americans are somewhere in the middle.
You just pick the party that is closest to your beliefs and work with them to get closer to what you believe.
You're illustrating quite well the insanity that is the two-party system.
Of course it insane to think that all political beliefs could be binned into only two groups. Political beliefs are a spectrum as it is - and then when you attempt to think of all of the possible belief combinations, the amount of political variation it's nearly limitless.
Just believe what you want, and ignore labels. Vote for whatever politician aligns most with your beliefs. Don't vote for the party, vote for yourself and for the country.
I think the insanity of multiple parties representing every belief under the sun is worse. Look at Italy where they have to form coalitions between all those whacky parties which creates even more chaos. Our system is far from perfect, or even good, but it certainly is better than the free for all of a dozen, or more parties.
A wall might not actually work though. Simply enforcing existing laws might do the trick. Canada manages to avoid mass illegal immigration despite having a 3000 mile land border with a country full of illegals that would just love to get free Canadian health care.
I’m definitely more Republican than Democrat on illegal immigration, [b]but I’m skeptical that a wall is going to fix the problem.[b] Wasn’t it General Patton in WW2 who said that “fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of mankind?” How hard is it to smuggle humans over or under a wall?
Do you want to know how effective walls are?
Ask the Cubans & Haitians who got to Florida on rafts!
I think the insanity of multiple parties representing every belief under the sun is worse. Look at Italy where they have to form coalitions between all those whacky parties which creates even more chaos. Our system is far from perfect, or even good, but it certainly is better than the free for all of a dozen, or more parties.
Yet you think our political binary system is good?
McDonalds even gives us more choices with what sauces we want with our Chicken McNuggets!
This is from a US senator about a bill he voted for
tightened border security; created a tough but fair path to citizenship for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants already living in the United States; deployed a quick and effective employment verification system for businesses to prevent identity theft and prevent future illegal hires; and pioneered an improved process to admit foreign workers that does not harm employment opportunities for American workers.
He's a Democrat from Connecticut. This illustrates how most Democrats feel. We'll give in and let the illegals who are already established here a break but we want e-verify to keep new illegals from being hired and to prevent identity theft. We want tighter border control but not a wall.
We want to admit some LEGAL immigrants as long as it doesn't harm Americans.
We want national health insurance --and it doesn't end if you lose your job or become self employed.
Probably a lot of conservatives feel just about the same because most Americans are somewhere in the middle.
You just pick the party that is closest to your beliefs and work with them to get closer to what you believe.
I hardly call that breaking in or compromising when giving amnesty to illegals has been the goal of Democrats for the last 40 years at least and just saying tightened border security means nothing.
Try and find a moderate Democrat politician in California that doesn't love catering to illegals and trying to give them whatever they want including some wanting to give them the right to vote and free healthcare. Moderate? Hardly.
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I hardly call that breaking in or compromising when giving amnesty to illegals has been the goal of Democrats for the last 40 yearsat least and just saying tightened border security means nothing.
Try and find a moderate Democrat politician in California that doesn't love catering to illegals and trying to give them whatever they want including some wanting to give them the right to vote and free healthcare. Moderate? Hardly.
Did you forget Ronald Reagan who was a Californian" with a complicit GOP Congress in the 1980's?
Who truly gave 'amnesty" to 3 Million "illegals" when he was President?
The terms are extremely obsolete now. It's just tribal instincts to place people in groups by belief systems. It's just a stereotype we love to put on people. If you're a liberal, you drive a Prius with a boatload of Bernie stickers and shop at Whole Foods. If you're a conservative, you drive a Ford F-150 and shop at WalMart. It's quite irrelevant. People have a hard time living without a political home. Just be who you want to be. Who cares, and who should?
From what I can tell, the more well to do and polished conservatives still shop at Whole Foods.
Many of us have elements of both, a mix of both, or positions that would not be considered either. There really is no need to define it. How one votes is probably the best barometer, but again that can be a mix as well.
Which liberal policies do you support?
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