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Because you know you've made a fool out of yourself by claiming that people who get lots of welfare from the government are contributors because they pay a little in taxes of that government welfare. You're a person on the far right who blast the poor every chance you get.
And your rant about Obamacare is misplaced. I am not even a Democrat. Everyone understands that proper social programs cant work if its all a voluntary game. Medicare or SS dont work that way for a reason.
Allowing drug companies to sell poison that disable and kill children and market it as "good for you" is absolutely disgusting. You're just pushing "experimental drugs" as a way to open up the market for poison and lethal drugs flooding the drug stores like we saw prior to drug corporations being regulated and held responsible. Who funds the people you vote for? Who funds the agenda you push? Getting rid of all drug safety regulations is definitely something lots of puppets in Congress support.
Give us ONE civilized country that does not regulate drugs entering the market. Just one.
Why were beta blockers allowed in Europe and HIV drugs the same while Americans died? Victims of big government and big pharm. You’re a stooge for both.
So... In your pipe dream national healthcare fantasy, what would be the penalty for dropping out of the workforce and collecting free health care, anyway?
The penalty of not having a job in America and no income is worse enough. Its far worse than in other countries with a proper social safety net (and significantly higher share of the population work there...).
Because you know you've made a fool out of yourself by claiming that people who get lots of welfare from the government are contributors because they pay a little in taxes of that government welfare.
Not in the US. 45% of 1040 tax filers pay no federal income tax whatsoever, and 27% pay neither Federal income tax nor FICA due to refundable tax credits.
Maybe the poor in European countries get more in welfare benefits, but that's paid for by crushing taxes on the middle class. See the chart on page 9, here:
Why were beta blockers allowed in Europe and HIV drugs the same while Americans died? Victims of big government and big pharm. You’re a stooge for both.
I will ask you again: Which civilized country has no regulations on drugs entering the market? You're praising Europe...You think they dont have restrictions on drugs entering the market? Are you that naive?
You claimed people who gets lots of welfare stuff from the government are contributors because they pay some taxes on that stuff. Just admit that you've embarrassed yourself and move on.
Not in the US. 45% of 1040 tax filers pay no federal income tax whatsoever, and 27% pay neither Federal income tax nor FICA due to refundable tax credits.
Maybe the poor in European countries get more in welfare benefits, but that's paid for by crushing taxes on the middle class. See the chart on page 9, here:
You claimed people who gets lots of welfare stuff from the government are contributors because they pay some taxes on that stuff.
In Europe, not in the US. And in order for those in Europe to receive all those welfare benefits, the middle class is crushed by taxes. See the tax burden placed on typical workers in the chart on page 9, here:
You have to call facts "propaganda" because they refute your beliefs. That's really sad.
Again, you all should have learned your lesson when the lefty millennials rejected Obamacare. The Obamacare fiasco proved the point. Even the Dem voter base (millennials and the Obamacare fiasco) recognizes that having to pay extra to pay for others is a scam so they refused to do so.
We should structure Medicaid the same way. No benefits unless you've made decades worth of premium payments prior to eligibility, and then you must pay monthly premiums, deductibles, and copays.
Well, yes, let's deny Medicaid coverage to anyone under 60!
I'm not opposed to adding small co-pays to Medicaid, however; perhaps $5 for an office visit and a lot more for an ER visit to make people think twice about using the ER unnecessarily.
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No, universal health care will never happen here because not all contribute. There are a significant percentage of Americans who freeload and want others to pay their bills.
You're not listening ... again ... are you? There will be no "freeloaders" under a universal health care system. Everyone will contribute.
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Until/unless that changes, and everyone is required to contribute equally, we'll never have universal health care.
No one contributes equally now. People with higher incomes contribute more of their income toward Social Security and Medicare than people with lower incomes. While not all Social Security benefits are equal, Medicare benefits are.
So what's your point?
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Hell, even lefty millennials wouldn't buy into Obamacare because they refused to pay extra to pay for others.
Milennials wouldn't buy into the Affordable Care Act because they are young and think they are going to stay healthy forever, and because they don't earn a lot of money. I didn't buy health insurance until I was in my 30s - I was young and didn't think I was going to get sick, and my income was relatively low for the first six or seven years of my career.
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Not in the US. 45% of 1040 tax filers pay no federal income tax whatsoever, and 27% pay neither Federal income tax nor FICA due to refundable tax credits.
It's pretty sad that 46% (your numbers are old) in this country don't earn enough to pay federal income tax.
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“Either their taxable incomes are below the threshold at which the tax unit’s ’taxable income’ exceeds zero,” he said, “or the taxpayer qualifies for refundable tax credits — such as the Earned Income Credit and/or the Child Tax Credit — that are greater than the amount federal income tax owed, in which case the tax filer receives a tax refund or owes no federal income tax liability. Much more rarely, high-income taxpayers have adopted tax strategies that occasionally eliminate their federal income tax liability.”
And if people are working, but paying no income tax, they're still paying federal payroll taxes - not to mention all the state and local taxes.
I'd guess that any type of universal health care contribution would be a combination of a payroll tax, not an income tax - which all workers would contribute to.
Which blows all your whining and complaining right out of the water.
Add a VAT, even a small one, and all those deadbeats you're grousing about would contribute.
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It is in fact true that millennials overwhelmingly vote Dem, and that millennials overwhelmingly refused to participate in Obamacare.
Repeating it five times now doesn't make it true.
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