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View Poll Results: How many votes will Brett Kavanaugh get for confirmation in the Senate?
61 or more 63 13.55%
58-60 32 6.88%
55-57 61 13.12%
50-54 198 42.58%
49 or less 111 23.87%
Voters: 465. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-24-2018, 08:25 AM
 
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If the GOP surrenders to the Democrat's ploy against Kavanaugh, they will be creating a precedent that says every accusation is disqualifying. Ford's story of abuse fell apart. Now, the Ramirez story is even more unbelievable; the democrats have sunk to the bottom of the ethical barrel.

I don't think Ford will testify on Thursday before the senate committee. I don't think she ever planned to testify. She delayed so these other people would have time to develop their own fictional accusations.

Senator Grassley needs to have the vote to recommend confirmation of Kavanaugh today, otherwise democrats will continue their grotesque charade.

Excellently stated. Must spread rep....

 
Old 09-24-2018, 08:25 AM
 
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it is obvious to me, that appointing another SCOTUS will be completely impossible in this political climate probably for eternity. All each side needs to do is find one or two die hard political hacks to come out and accuse the candidate of something that can never be proven or disproven. Its crazy. Unfortunately, it is the way we roll here in the great USA today. Very unfortunate.
You say it's unfortunate - similar to the complaint that Congress "never gets anything done".

What is often overlooked is that sometimes the best action to take is no action at all. Especially when we are talking about appointing a Justice who will be on the SCOTUS for life. Not 4 years, not 10 years, not 20 years - but for many decades. We need to take our sweet time for this confirmation, it is understandable that the Republicans want it to happen instantly because of the timing of the upcoming election, but as citizens we should be very cautious about rushing into any decision that will affect us forever. The broader long term view says we should vet any SCOTUS appointee to the ultimate level.
 
Old 09-24-2018, 08:26 AM
 
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Republicans refused to consider Garland for the exact same reason, as it would be replacing a conservative justice with someone more liberal, tilting the court to the left. If this nominee is confirmed, it will result in the court shifting to the right. Rs wrote the playbook for unprecedented obstruction in such a scenario, they are now reaping what they have sown.
Elections have consequences remember? Democrats love to dish it out but can't take it when it's their turn to pay the piper.
If Kavanaugh isn't voted to be a Supreme Court Justice, there will be another more conservative judge nominated to take his place. There isn't a good chance the Dems can take back the Senate at mid terms, and they might even lose another seat or two.
The next time Dems play the "me too" card, people will be so sick of it and see right through it. You can't play that same old card indefinitely.
 
Old 09-24-2018, 08:27 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Kavanaugh is not an ordinary person applying for an ordinary job. He is being confirmed for one of the most important posts in our country; his decisions on the SCOTUS will affect our lives and the lives of our children and grandchildren for decades, if not centuries to come.

For that reason it is absolutely essential that every allegation or observation about this man's character be scrutinized in the greatest possible detail. It is a no-brainer that every effort is made to clear Kavanaugh
Clear him of what? Neither of the accusers have any corroborating evidence or eyewitnesses. None.
 
Old 09-24-2018, 08:30 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Well, I feel stupid. I was duped. I think Kavanaugh is done. The lesson here, as with Al Franken, is that political operatives prefer to go public after they've lined up more than one allegation behind closed doors.
Al Franken was an entirely different matter. There was photo evidence of his acts. Kavanaugh's accusers have not/cannot provide any evidence to prove their allegations whatsoever, not even an eyewitness.
 
Old 09-24-2018, 08:31 AM
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Location: MA/NH
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Kavanaugh is not an ordinary person applying for an ordinary job. He is being confirmed for one of the most important posts in our country; his decisions on the SCOTUS will affect our lives and the lives of our children and grandchildren for decades, if not centuries to come.

For that reason it is absolutely essential that every allegation or observation about this man's character be scrutinized in the greatest possible detail. It is a no-brainer that every effort is made to clear Kavanaugh, so that every citizen can be confident that he has the requisite values to be a Justice of the Supreme Court. It's hard to believe this is even being debated.
The standards that the liberals are setting for Kavanaugh are extremely unreasonable and set too high. What he is being accused of doing at the age of 17 and now in college, even if true, has no bearing on him as a SCOTUS judge. Since my teenage years, I have seen a whole lot of young people making poor judgments in regards to drinking alcohol and especially with their interactions with their possible romantic and sexual partners. The decision-making part of the brain, the frontal cortex doesn't fully develop until the age of 25 years of age. And young teens and adults are also especially influenced by peer pressures because of their need to fit in with others. And also even mature adult men and women misread signals from other human beings. Look at all the dramas from anyone partaking of the Tinder and other dating apps. And this circus surrounding the current SCOTUS hearings is NOT going to fix how men and women interact. It's just biology and hormones. Males and females just think differently about sex. Look at all the countless books on dating advice. Men approach relationships more for sex, the woman want romance and cuddling.

Again, I would much rather a SCOTUS judge be someone who has lived a full life and experienced all aspects of life and taken some missteps, that someone who has lived their entire lives as a saint. IMO a person who has seen other aspects of life AND ended up as a decent human being is much more likely to have understanding and empathy for other human beings.

What really matters about a candidate for SCOTUS is their record as a judge and their understanding of our US constitution. Not their possible hijinks as a high school and college student.
 
Old 09-24-2018, 08:31 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I'm not necessarily saying the allegations are false. I'm saying if you dig into almost anyone's past deep enough you're likely to find a few skeletons in their closet to complain about.
Yeah. Finding someone to make a claim about some college age (whether he went to college or not) male's boorish behavior at a party wouldn't be too hard for about 90% of men, or a woman's boorish behavior for that matter.
 
Old 09-24-2018, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Elections have consequences remember? Democrats love to dish it out but can't take it when it's their turn to pay the piper.
If Kavanaugh isn't voted to be a Supreme Court Justice, there will be another more conservative judge nominated to take his place. There isn't a good chance the Dems can take back the Senate at mid terms, and they might even lose another seat or two.
The next time Dems play the "me too" card, people will be so sick of it and see right through it. You can't play that same old card indefinitely.
Yes there will likely be either Kavanaugh or another conservative judge confirmed. But clearly the current tactic is to try to delay the vote until after the election, if Dems gain any seats then the influence they will have on which type of nominee can get though will increase.
 
Old 09-24-2018, 08:32 AM
 
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You say it's unfortunate - similar to the complaint that Congress "never gets anything done".

What is often overlooked is that sometimes the best action to take is no action at all. Especially when we are talking about appointing a Justice who will be on the SCOTUS for life. Not 4 years, not 10 years, not 20 years - but for many decades. We need to take our sweet time for this confirmation, it is understandable that the Republicans want it to happen instantly because of the timing of the upcoming election, but as citizens we should be very cautious about rushing into any decision that will affect us forever. The broader long term view says we should vet any SCOTUS appointee to the ultimate level.


If Republicans barrel ahead and confirm Kavanaugh, they do so at their peril.
 
Old 09-24-2018, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Clear him of what? Neither of the accusers have any corroborating evidence or eyewitnesses. None.
This is like a legal case, but it isn't a legal case. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is a legal standard. Here, they just need to create a perception. They've done that. I would guess they have more cards to play. Only Kavanaugh knows. Let's face it. Even in legal proceedings, proof is semi-optional. Lots of convictions are circumstantial. It's about what you can convince people of. Sometimes that coincides with truth.
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