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View Poll Results: How many votes will Brett Kavanaugh get for confirmation in the Senate?
61 or more 63 13.55%
58-60 32 6.88%
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50-54 198 42.58%
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Old 09-17-2018, 10:29 PM
 
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Why would you assume that only men have questions about due process and facts, or that someone who holds this position is of a particular political party? This strikes me as more of an ethics question than a political one. Ethically, given that this woman claims there was an assault and there is a witness, why didn't she report the incident? Why would she think that she would be more believable 36 years later?
You really don't understand how sexual assault reporting works, do you?

 
Old 09-17-2018, 10:33 PM
 
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You really don't understand how sexual assault reporting works, do you?
I have a vague idea.
Would you explain to me how sexual assault reporting has changed between 1982 and today?
 
Old 09-17-2018, 10:35 PM
 
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It's similar to how women treat women who have been in abusive relationships. The first question they ask is : why didn't you leave? There's an ignorance in people about rape in the same way there is ignorance about people in abusive relationships.

This is a "date rape" situation, date rape victims live to tell. If the victim was reluctant to go to police, as a student, there were many institutional options for reporting. Why were none of these options accessed?
I know from personal experience why women don’t tell anyone and I will just leave it at that. Men will never understand because they’ve never been through it and can’t possibly understand the emotional turmoil women go through. And this is ignorance
 
Old 09-17-2018, 10:39 PM
 
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And I hate the men who don’t believe women when they finally come forward. You have no idea how hard it is to finally tell he truth. It takes a lot of courage. I’m sure most women here have experienced this kind of behavior or worse from men. But you don’t care about women at all. You just care about the Supreme Court nominee
Some women are mentally unwell and others lie through their teeth. That is a fact, whether you like it or not. Women lie and sometimes their memories from long ago are not accurate or reliable.

Anyone who thinks that women always tell the truth and always remember accurately, even when memories are "recovered" using the notoriously unreliable "recovered memory therapy," is herself a candidate for being mentally unwell. That is just not very sound thinking at all.
 
Old 09-17-2018, 10:39 PM
 
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I know from personal experience why women don’t tell anyone and I will just leave it at that. Men will never understand because they’ve never been through it and can’t possibly understand the emotional turmoil women go through. And this is ignorance
This isn't a gender issue. People of all genders experience rape, and people of all genders can grasp the concept.

The question is why this victim believed that she and her witness would be more believable 36 years after the fact, and why she reported it to a politician rather than police. Is she a bit off?

Guess: her story wasn't credible at the time, and the reason for reporting is political rather than criminal.
 
Old 09-17-2018, 10:47 PM
 
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Truth......what is the truth. Many accusers are proven to be wrong. Men’s lives get ruined, no proof needed. You just don’t get it. Me Too to me as a man is nothing more than a witch hunt against my gender. Your right I feel NO SYMPATHY toward accusers with decades old stories to tell. They always seem to have the convenient effect of earning the accuser money OR promoting the accusers liberal ideals. Oh and I Simply don’t care if liberals hate me, of course I expect that.
Moderate and conservative women and girls have also been harassed, attacked, and raped.

Men and boys of all political stripes have also been harassed, attacked, and raped.

The one thing they all have in common is that nearly all of the physical attackers and rapists have been men or teenage boys.
 
Old 09-17-2018, 10:48 PM
 
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This isn't a gender issue. People of all genders experience rape, and people of all genders can grasp the concept.

The question is why this victim believed that she and her witness would be more believable 36 years after the fact, and why she reported it to a politician rather than police. Is she a bit off?
Yes, it is a gender issue. And no, you continue to not get it, no matter how many times it's been explained to you.

I'm not sure if you are being willfully ignorant or you really are unable to comprehend what the women in this thread have been trying to get you to understand, but either way, it's a waste of time repeating the same thing to you over and over again. If you don't get it by now, you never will.
 
Old 09-17-2018, 10:50 PM
 
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Why not wait to hear them both testify before you make a conclusion? I don't see how anyone can even make up their mind at this point.

Its just like this Russiar thing. It is pointless to form a conclusion either way until you have all of the evidence.
 
Old 09-17-2018, 10:51 PM
 
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Moderate and conservative women and girls have also been harassed, attacked, and raped.

Men and boys of all political stripes have also been harassed, attacked, and raped.

The one thing they all have in common is that nearly all of the physical attackers and rapists have been men or teenage boys.
Those are random rapes.
This is an alleged date rape that went unreported for 36 years, and was then reported to the wrong office.
 
Old 09-17-2018, 10:53 PM
 
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Yes, it is a gender issue. And no, you continue to not get it, no matter how many times it's been explained to you.

I'm not sure if you are being willfully ignorant or you really are unable to comprehend what the women in this thread have been trying to get you to understand, but either way, it's a waste of time repeating the same thing to you over and over again. If you don't get it by now, you never will.
What, only women can fear that they will not be believed when reporting rape? I don't think so.

Date rape 40 years ago was not something that required the intervention of a political party.
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