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The FBI/DOJ lied on the FISA applications (including Rosenstein, who signed off on one of them) and the idiot FISC judges never held any hearings, just rubber-stamped the applications for renewal time after time after time.
This will all come out. The more documents, etc., Trump declassifies, unredacted, and releases to the public, the better. Let everyone see how filthy dirty the FBI/DOJ really are.
The fact that they didn't hold a hearing doesn't mean that they dint review the application. Why wouldn't Rosenstein sign off on a warrant he has authority and certainly not the only signature. Did you ever notice that out of hundreds of applications Trump is only concerned about Page, no one else. Like I stated he left the campaign prior to the warrant so even if you believe they were spying on Page it would have been after the campaign. Trump just wants to discredit Mueller's investigation by pulling a few more emails and some statements out of context. The FISC Judges are hand picked by SCJ Roberts by the way and held to a high standard but in Trump world everyone is an idiot who disagrees with them.
The NIA is reviewing his request, no one thinks this is a good idea except the nutty Freedom Caucus Members. He is willing to sacrifice our intelligence agencies for his own personal gain.
The fact that they didn't hold a hearing doesn't mean that they dint review the application. Why wouldn't Rosenstein sign off on a warrant he has authority and certainly not the only signature. Did you ever notice that out of hundreds of applications Trump is only concerned about Page, no one else. Like I stated he left the campaign prior to the warrant so even if you believe they were spying on Page it would have been after the campaign. Trump just wants to discredit Mueller's investigation by pulling a few more emails and some statements out of context. The FISC Judges are hand picked by SCJ Roberts by the way and held to a high standard but in Trump world everyone is an idiot who disagrees with them.
The NIA is reviewing his request, no one thinks this is a good idea except the nutty Freedom Caucus Members. He is willing to sacrifice our intelligence agencies for his own personal gain.
I found this good explanation about how the whole process goes.
" The two central points I tried to make in my tweets were, first, that FISA applications get serious scrutiny, with the FISA Court itself reporting “substantive changes” made “as a result of Court inquiry or action” in 24.4 percent of cases over a three-month period; and, second, that the FISA Court typically conducts that scrutiny through informal telephone calls and meetings with the government rather than through formal hearings. So the absence of a hearing is not cause for alarm or a conclusion that the court glossed over a FISA application."
" In sum, the court’s letter and various public statements, as well as the statistical evidence, show that FISA applications are subjected to exacting scrutiny; the FISA Court is not a rubber stamp. And they show that this scrutiny is effectuated in many ways, most of them informal—e.g., regular or ad-hoc telephone calls and meetings between the Court and the government—rather than more formal hearings. The absence of a “hearing” on the Carter Page FISAs does not in any way suggest that the FISA Court treated the applications casually or carelessly."
We have taking that in to consideration. We have decided your feeling aren't as important as removing the corruption in gov.
It was additionally decided your feelings will change once they are crushed. We are prepared for that.
The Royal 'We'?
If you (singular you) were serious about battling corruption in government you would want that con man to resign right now. He does not combat corruption, he personifies it. The fact that you were able to support him up to this point signifies one of two things ... either ...
-1- You were conned, and continue in it or
-2- You are complicit in his deceptions.
Trumps team is going to take the time to read these, and they will realize that the unredacted pages or full release that Trump talks about hurts them. Reality? We're going to get a bunch of cherry picked redacted nonsense. Watch.
I agree with you. After the trump minions see them, they probably will not release them all, or will release them with their own redactions.
The fact that they didn't hold a hearing doesn't mean that they dint review the application. Why wouldn't Rosenstein sign off on a warrant he has authority and certainly not the only signature.
Because it's based on false info (the Dossier compiled with crap the Russians spoon-fed Steele, all FOREIGN agents, by the way - how the hell is THAT legal?), and they all knew it.
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Did you ever notice that out of hundreds of applications Trump is only concerned about Page, no one else.
Yes. It's a legal concept called 'fruit of the poisonous tree.' Any info gathered via using the fatally flawed FISA warrants for Page isn't admissible in court.
Interesting how there were so many FISA warrants and renewals issued with Page as the target, but he was never charged with anything.
Because it's based on false info (the Dossier compiled with crap the Russians spoon-fed Steele, all FOREIGN agents, by the way - how the hell is THAT legal?), and they all knew it.
Yes. It's a legal concept called 'fruit of the poisonous tree.' Any info gathered via using the fatally flawed FISA warrants for Page isn't admissible in court.
Interesting how there were so many FISA warrants and renewals issued with Page as the target, but he was never charged with anything.
This particular FISA document was 412 pages, the dossier was a small part of the warrant, you are just repeating Devin Nunes by claiming it was fatally flawed and lacking in facts. Steel was a respected MI6 agent, he is an expert in Russian intelligence not to mention his work on the indictment of FIFA executives. He doesn't get "spoon fed " by anyone.
They put warrants on people to gather intelligence it doesn't necessarily imply guilt, just association to gather intelligence. There were 2 Russian spies that were convicted from Pages previous warrant back in 2013 but Page wasn't charged. He has many shady contacts in his work, that doesn't mean he should be charged. So do tell, was the 2013 warrant also "fatally flawed from the poisonous tree".
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Trumps team is going to take the time to read these, and they will realize that the unredacted pages or full release that Trump talks about hurts them. Reality? We're going to get a bunch of cherry picked redacted nonsense. Watch.
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Originally Posted by Hesychios
I agree with you. After the trump minions see them, they probably will not release them all, or will release them with their own redactions.
The obvious flaws in in your argument is first they have to be released through a process starting with the FBI/DOJ and the President has ordered the release without having seem them himself. The very people who have been redacting and trying to keep them secret and slow rolling what they do release.
There are reports that the unelected bureaucrats in the FBI/DOJ/DNI are going keep some parts redacted in defiance just as John Brennan has been calling for them to do. If they do they are the ones cherry picking and as we have seen in the past, do it to keep from embarrassing themselves, not to protect sources or methods. They also subject themselves to being fired for cause. Failure to carry out lawful orders. The same reason Sally Yeats was fired.
The people who have seen them unredacted are in both parties in congress and they will know if they are complete. Any trickery would be exposed b/c once released to the President he has to release them to congress of both parties. The doc's in question are the ones congress wants and made request for release.
" The two central points I tried to make in my tweets were, first, that FISA applications get serious scrutiny, with the FISA Court itself reporting “substantive changes” made “as a result of Court inquiry or action” in 24.4 percent of cases over a three-month period; and, second, that the FISA Court typically conducts that scrutiny through informal telephone calls and meetings with the government rather than through formal hearings. So the absence of a hearing is not cause for alarm or a conclusion that the court glossed over a FISA application."
" In sum, the court’s letter and various public statements, as well as the statistical evidence, show that FISA applications are subjected to exacting scrutiny; the FISA Court is not a rubber stamp. And they show that this scrutiny is effectuated in many ways, most of them informal—e.g., regular or ad-hoc telephone calls and meetings between the Court and the government—rather than more formal hearings. The absence of a “hearing” on the Carter Page FISAs does not in any way suggest that the FISA Court treated the applications casually or carelessly."
The FISA court doesn't know what it doesn't know. If not given all the information they can't question information withheld from them. One of the central reasons for the release is we will be able to see what was withheld from the court, that was know at the time by FBI/DOJ, thus those submitting the information to the court are guilty of defrauding the court. A serious crime and the Top Official's signing their name on what was submitted would be guilty of perjury also.
Who has the greater interest to keep the doc's secret then those that knowing engage in crime in the DOJ/FBI and are under investigation for that very thing now. Rosenstein for example.
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