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OK .... so Democratic Socialism means- and this is for the record by Hapa1- that we are peacefully going to insure that, for example:
Mark Zuckerburg and I live in the same kind of house.
Bill Clinton and I are going to see the same doctor.
My kid will automatically go to Harvard because Bill Gates did and Harvard should be coerced, excuse me, peacefully told to charge him nothing.
That covers healthcare, education, and housing.
Now, why don't you tell us how we are going to do this. You might tell me who has ever accomplished it and if you mention a Nordic country it will elicit laughter as the Nordic countries are nothing like this.
That is a ridiculous analogy, and you know it! Everything just needs to be more fair for every American, why are you against that? The wealthy should not be getting a tax break, and should be helping less fortunate people who are suffering! It’s a very simple plan if you think about it, everyone helps each other out, and we all end up fine in the end.
That is a ridiculous analogy, and you know it! Everything just needs to be more fair for every American, why are you against that? The wealthy should not be getting a tax break, and should be helping less fortunate people who are suffering! It’s a very simple plan if you think about it, everyone helps each other out, and we all end up fine in the end.
No, nothing ridiculous about it. Those are simple examples of what you propose.
The rest of your post is typical gibberish that I have been hearing all my life. If you want to reform the tax code- and you would hardly be the first- then lay out some real proposals instead of hackneyed platitudes.
Lets be clear, calling it a "right" to health care and education is VASTLY misunderstanding what our current "rights" were designed to do. Calling them a right and trying to draw a parallel with things like free speech, 2A, and right to an attorney is way way off base.
No one has said that everyone should have the same of everything in this thread. But a minimum standard of living including the right to good quality health care for everyone regardless of ability to pay, housing for everyone, a right to education, including a good quality higher education and trade schools is certainly something we can do in such a rich society as America. You even think this has nothing to do with socialism and is just good old free market capitalism with some regulation that provide more opportunities for everyone. So thats great. You disagree with Fox News and the rest of the right wing crowd there. So lets go for it.
No, Hapa1 more or less said just that which proves my primary point that you, he/she, and numerous others babble endlessly about something you can even define for one second.
Now, let's work through the rest:
Good quality health care for everyone regardless of ability to pay: Hard to object to that in principal. But do you think the wealthy of Sweden have the same healthcare as do those that live in the projects of Stockholm?
Housing for everyone: We pretty much have that. They're called Projects, Subsidized housing, Section 8, etc, etc. And they are as grim as those in the Nordic countries and other places you fawn over.
A right to education, including a good quality higher education and trade schools: We have that. Loads of schools out there, both public and private. Literally thousands of universities of varying standards. Loads. Trade schools too. Try Googling a few.
You disagree with Fox News and the rest of the right wing crowd there. I do not have cable therefore I do not know much about Fox News. But I guess no mindless diatribe is complete without some kind of reference to them, eh?
No, nothing ridiculous about it. Those are simple examples of what you propose.
The rest of your post is typical gibberish that I have been hearing all my life. If you want to reform the tax code- and you would hardly be the first- then lay out some real proposals instead of hackneyed platitudes.
But you refuse to call a right to health care and a right housing socialism. You call it free market capitalism that ensures everyone has a decent standard of living. Thats a good thing. It means you have moved beyond the socialist scare mongering and are ready to discuss policy. Are you ready for it? Or do you prefer getting hung up in labels again?
Anyone who makes your "let me tell you what you believe" claim is being ridiculous.
Yea well the truth hurts Finn. It hurts to learn that you actually live in the kind of place you are demanding. You live in an advanced, democratic, Social Welfare State. It has its issues but no more or less than Finland, Denmark, Austria, or any of these other countries that bring you to orgasm.
But you refuse to call a right to health care and a right housing socialism. You call it free market capitalism that ensures everyone has a decent standard of living. Thats a good thing. It means you have moved beyond the socialist scare mongering and are ready to discuss policy. Are you ready for it? Or do you prefer getting hung up in labels again?
There you go again. Using that word that you cannot even describe.
No, Hapa1 more or less said just that which proves my primary point that you, he/she, and numerous others babble endlessly about something you can even define for one second.
Now, let's work through the rest:
Good quality health care for everyone regardless of ability to pay: Hard to object to that in principal. But do you think the wealthy of Sweden have the same healthcare as do those that live in the projects of Stockholm?
Housing for everyone: We pretty much have that. They're called Projects, Subsidized housing, Section 8, etc, etc. And they are as grim as those in the Nordic countries and other places you fawn over.
A right to education, including a good quality higher education and trade schools: We have that. Loads of schools out there, both public and private. Literally thousands of universities of varying standards. Loads. Trade schools too. Try Googling a few.
You disagree with Fox News and the rest of the right wing crowd there. I do not have cable therefore I do not know much about Fox News. But I guess no mindless diatribe is complete without some kind of reference to them, eh?
OK, finally you are ready to discuss policy. You are still stuck on the "everyone should have the same" tune, which no one is proposing here, but I'll ignore that.
Its great that you support a national health care system that ensures everyone has good health care regardless of ability to pay. This means you are a minority among your right wing friends, and that shows independent thinking.
Regarding your claim that everyone has a right to education including good quality higher education regardless of ability to pay, that's laughable and you know it.
Decent housing as a right for every American? We already have that? Subsidized housing, section 8 etc is not the same as every American having a right to decent housing. A person who is poor cant simply move into a decent home in a few weeks and sue the state and federal government if it is not provided.
Yea well the truth hurts Finn. It hurts to learn that you actually live in the kind of place you are demanding. You live in an advanced, democratic, Social Welfare State. It has its issues but no more or less than Finland, Denmark, Austria, or any of these other countries that bring you to orgasm.
I have not made any demands.
You insisting someone wants Mark Zuckerburg and him live in the same kind of house is just plain ridiculous, ans pretty far from the "truth".
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