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Old 10-06-2018, 07:14 AM
 
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So why do mail carriers make $28 an hour and taxi drivers, cooks and hair dressers make $12 an hour?

"Labor unions had a time and a place", really?

Now we must get rid of labor unions and let workers fight their fight alone?

Thats just corporate propaganda. Without labor unions, the lone worker is like a lone ranger up against a well equipped platoon. The worker will get crushed. Thats what we're seeing in America. 40 years of destruction of the labor unions, starting from the late 1970s has led to exactly the designed outcome. Massive inequality, extreme corruption, zero wage growth for the typical worker and the destruction of the working class. This leads to political radicalization, which is what we're seeing now. Its perfectly predictable. Labor unions civilize society like nothing else and make people trust public institutions to a much larger extent. When union power is destroyed, the political system run into the arms of the billionaire class and will serve their interests, not the interests of Joe Sixpack.
Big Business purchase politicians by the hundreds.
They organize together to get cheap labor trade pacts passed.

But by god, you are evil if you as a worker organize for some of that same power.
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Old 10-06-2018, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Coastal Mid-Atlantic
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All wage hikes are covered by the consumer. The extra money will be made up somewhere. That's Economics 101. No free lunches. People that just WANT $15 an hour have no clue. They just want.
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Old 10-06-2018, 07:33 AM
 
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This.

All wage increases should be merit based.

Walmart workers want $15 an hour. Have you ever thought WHY Walmart prices are so cheap. Wages, made overseas by cheap labor. Imagine if you payed those people $15 an hour and see what happens to Walmart prices. See how that works.
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Old 10-06-2018, 07:34 AM
 
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All wage hikes are covered by the consumer. The extra money will be made up somewhere. That's Economics 101. No free lunches. People that just WANT $15 an hour have no clue. They just want.
Thats right.
There is no free lunch.
So it will be shareholders that take a paycut.

They cannot raise prices.
If they could raise prices to give more money to shareholders, they would have already done so.
There is a price customers are willing to pay and they have it at that limit.
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Old 10-06-2018, 07:35 AM
 
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Walmart workers want $15 an hour. Have you ever thought WHY Walmart prices are so cheap. Wages, made overseas by cheap labor. Imagine if you payed those people $15 an hour and see what happens to Walmart prices. See how that works.
Workers overseas should organize but it is banned under communism.
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Old 10-06-2018, 07:37 AM
 
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Capitalism can exist just fine without redistributing the wealth from the productive workers to the unproductive shareholders that want a cut of other peoples money.
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Old 10-06-2018, 07:41 AM
 
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All wage hikes are covered by the consumer. The extra money will be made up somewhere. That's Economics 101. No free lunches. People that just WANT $15 an hour have no clue. They just want.
Corporate propaganda with zero evidence to back it up with. Not even in a situation where the company has a pure monopoly does that happen, let alone in a situation with numerous companies competing for customers.
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Old 10-06-2018, 07:46 AM
 
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Corporate propaganda with zero evidence to back it up with. Not even in a situation where the company has a pure monopoly does that happen, let alone in a situation with numerous companies competing for customers.


Excellent post.
Always be aware of the corporate propaganda artists.
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Old 10-06-2018, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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There is a difference.....between the Waltons, who have spent much of their life lobbying the State and Fed. Government for tax breaks for themselves personally (they made up the whole "death tax" thing because it mostly applied to billionaires).....

Good for Amazon. This is the positive side of Single Jewish Women (SJW)......basically enlightened, but not perfect, businesses from the Left Coast...

Another interesting factoid. Bezos makes breakfast (cooks) for his family. He doesn't take his first meeting until 10am and won't take any important decisions in the late afternoon. He says the best thinking is earlier in the day....

A American business that already employs 350,000 - many at high wages (skilled)...and has a "eco-system" of authors and other sellers numbering in the 100's of thousands. See....American is already great, but we need those SJWs to ask folks to do the right thing.

BTW, an auto plant these days generally employs 800-3,000.
Oh, gag me! Who really cares? Sam Walton drove a beat up pickup. The personal lives of these people are irrelevant.

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Well done, Bernie, and congrats to the workers. They deserve it.
It bugs the heck out of me that Bernie, et al seem to care not one whit about health care workers who take on a lot of responsibility for way less than $15/hr in many cases. All we hear about is Amazon workers, Walmart workers, fast food workers, retail workers.

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There was a place/ time for unions. They lifted the masses onto the lower rungs of the middle economic class for a blip in time.

Private sector unions peaked 60+ years ago. There’s a reason for that.

Since the 70’s, more jobs have been eliminated by custom industrial robotics and technology substitution than were offshored. There’s a reason for that.

More than half the states are now Right to Work states. There’s a reason for that.

Deloitte & Touché conducts periodic servers of global CEOs in a variety of sectors. Last time they surveyed global CEOs in the manufacturing sector, including China, was late 2015. At the time, there was no certainty who would be nominated , let alone win, in 2016. And it most certainly did not take a possible trade war into consideration.

It concluded the US would reclaim the top spot in global manufacturing by 2020. The conclusion was supported by the vast pipeline for custom industrial robotics, placed by US manufacturers.

Assuming the projection is realized, whomever was elected in 2016 it is certain he/ she would take credit for it, despite a momentum that substantially preceded their election.

China is the world’s greatest consumer for commercial jetliners. Boeing’s future depends on the pipeline of business from China. Should the trade war with China escalate, there is a distinct possibility China will begin to cancel orders with Boeing. Airbus would be delighted to fill the void.

US unions won’t protect jobs lost to the competition due to a trade war.
Perhaps you could tell us what these reasons are!
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Old 10-06-2018, 07:49 AM
 
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Walmart workers want $15 an hour. Have you ever thought WHY Walmart prices are so cheap. Wages, made overseas by cheap labor. Imagine if you payed those people $15 an hour and see what happens to Walmart prices. See how that works.
We need to drive the cheap labor express and leeches in the finance sector out of this country. The major beneficiaries of slave labor is not the consumer but the leeches in the finance sector.
They are a parasite.
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