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Old 10-18-2018, 12:47 PM
 
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
Yes, all journalists put themselves at risk. It's part of the job. That doesn't mean they are responsible for the violence done towards them. That doesn't make that violence all right. The fact that you clearly don't care says a lot about you. Journalists and a free press are integral to a free society. This journalist worked for an American newspaper. So that means Americans have an interest in what happened to this journalist. And what happened is an atrocity.
I don't give a rat's a$$ if he was working for Wal-Mart. He is a Saudi that died in Turkey. Let Turkey and Saudi handle this. That is not our jurisdiction or our problem.

People die everyday in the Middle East and nobody gives a cr@p. Why is this guy so special?
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Old 10-18-2018, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Sputnik Planitia
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Why is this guy so special?
You are missing the point, and that point is that we can't go about doing business with terror regimes and call them our allies. Our moral standard as a country is that we recognize freedom of speech and expression as a fundamental right and we do not associate with any entity that is incompatible with that.
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Old 10-18-2018, 01:01 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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The left are such suckers that they'll get behind literally anything they're told to. This is a case in point.

Why anyone is calling this guy a "journalist" at all is beyond me. Writing OpEds for the WaPo, does not make you a journalists in the minds of most people.

Then, how do we know he's even dead? There's no body. How do we know he's not still in there? Or maybe he left through a different door?

Then we have the fact that this is/was a very bad person. A close friend of Osama Bin Laden's. A man who celebrated 9/11. A hard core, Muslim Brotherhood member. A man against the rights of women & gays. A man who was fine with child brides. Why was the WaPo giving him any run in their paper in the first place? Wtf kind of agenda are they pushing at the WaPo? How does this ideology jive with "liberal" ideology? They don't. They are completely contradictory.

Saudi Arabia hasn't admitted any fault, yet the left are being brainwashed to push for some sort of emotional, reactionary measure. What happened to the liberal ideology, that it's not our business to tell the rest of the world what to do, or to play policeman to the world? How the left has abandoned their core beliefs and principles so easily, is the more worrisome part of the Trump Admin. They've literally done a 180' ideologically over the past few years and are now against all the best things they once supported.

The Saudis are no choir boys of course, but it's counter-intellectual to think the Saudis ordered this alleged murder. They have a great relationship with the US, have accepted Israel as legitimate, are being asked to take a leadership role in the ME, are trying to diversify away from oil, into the United States, and they're on the verge of signing a massive arms deal to help ensure their own security. All of this, on the back of fighting a soft coup d'etat & setting up a younger, more modern thinking leader, who immediately changed the law to allow women to drive and other advancements.

Who stands to gain from this? The Iranians, the Turks & Palestine.

Who's pushing this narrative the hardest? It's John Brennan and the Obama, Muslim Brotherhood-loving, cash-to-Iran crew.

The only sane thing to do right now, if we do anything at all, is to gather all the evidence & understand what actually happened, rather than relying on the completely untrustworthy Turks & anonymous sources.
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Old 10-18-2018, 01:04 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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You are missing the point, and that point is that we can't go about doing business with terror regimes and call them our allies. Our moral standard as a country is that we recognize freedom of speech and expression as a fundamental right and we do not associate with any entity that is incompatible with that.

Since when? Obama associated with them for eight years, while they conducted public beheadings & stoned women to death in the streets. Now that there's a reformer in power, you want to dismantle our relationship over an unconfirmed allegation made by, of all people, the Turks & Erdogen?
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Old 10-18-2018, 01:04 PM
 
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The left are such suckers that they'll get behind literally anything they're told to. This is a case in point.

Why anyone is calling this guy a "journalist" at all is beyond me. Writing OpEds for the WaPo, does not make you a journalists in the minds of most people.

Then, how do we know he's even dead? There's no body. How do we know he's not still in there? Or maybe he left through a different door?

Then we have the fact that this is/was a very bad person. A close friend of Osama Bin Laden's. A man who celebrated 9/11. .
The Saudis sent over the 9/11 attackers, yet all you can do is attack folks in this country while protecting the Saudis.

It's amazing how effective trump has been at brainwashing those on the right. I truly hope the GOP will find its sanity and morality in the post trump era
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Old 10-18-2018, 01:10 PM
 
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You are missing the point, and that point is that we can't go about doing business with terror regimes and call them our allies. Our moral standard as a country is that we recognize freedom of speech and expression as a fundamental right and we do not associate with any entity that is incompatible with that.

what? are you joking and ignore our foreign policy in the last 100 years. Our foreign policy has never been about our moral standard. Take a good look at the history and record of our CIA and come back to me about our "moral standard" cr@p. The CIA tried to assassinate Fidel Castro many times and other leaders In poor 3rd world countries and you want to talk about morality? LMAO!!!

Should we boycott China also? our government support and aid extremist groups that could care less about freedom of speech as long that they do our regime changes for us in the most violent way and damn the civilians and children.

by the way, you have no freakin' clue why this Saudi died and "freedom" of speech had nothing to do with it. That's like saying the extremists attacked us in 9/11 because of our freedoms and that we are free when it has been our foreign policy the problem. Wake up and don't be so naive.
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Old 10-18-2018, 01:12 PM
 
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The Saudis sent over the 9/11 attackers, yet all you can do is attack folks in this country while protecting the Saudis.


It's amazing how effective trump has been at brainwashing those on the right. I truly hope the GOP will find its sanity and morality in the post trump era

yeah, let's go back to the Bush doctrine. Because our foreign policy went so well and it was sane and full of morality.


and Obama wasn't any better.
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Old 10-18-2018, 01:13 PM
 
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The Saudis sent over the 9/11 attackers, yet all you can do is attack folks in this country while protecting the Saudis.

It's amazing how effective trump has been at brainwashing those on the right. I truly hope the GOP will find its sanity and morality in the post trump era
I wouldn't bet on it.
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Old 10-18-2018, 01:32 PM
 
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Saudi Arabia sent us the 9/11 attackers...trump doesn't care about that either
Nor is he bugged by this mbs " disappearing " his mother, nor of Kim Jong Un mudering his own uncle.
They re all good.
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Old 10-18-2018, 01:38 PM
 
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Nor is he bugged by this mbs " disappearing " his mother, nor of Kim Jong Un mudering his own uncle.
They re all good.
Do you want to light a candle for Kim Jon Un's uncle?



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