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What is really sad is the current state of our political system and the extremes that the Left has moved in favor of does cause one to consider conspiracy theories.
What really gets me is how some in the media have blamed Trump for the actions of this Bozo.
We didn't blame Bernie Sanders when one of his devoted hippies brought a gun to the Republican baseball practice so why blame Trump for this?
Why don't you post a link or two showing Bernie on the podium calling for violence against his opponents? That would make your post ever so much more believable.
I've never understood why they call the neo-nazis and KKK "Far Right." They don't believe in any of the same things the Right believes or claims to believe. Smaller government, lower taxes, etc. They want to create ethno-states of pure ... whatevers. Doing so, if it were even a sane idea, would require an insane amount of government control, money and taxation.
Honestly, the only reason that these crazies are associated with the Right is because they tend to vote Republican. They vote Republican because blacks and Jews and everyone else they hate votes Democrat. If Jews, blacks, etc. voted overwhelmingly Republican, I can absolutely guarantee they'd switch to voting Democrat.
Neither party stands for any of the crap they stand for. Nobody wants anything to do with them either.
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Once you get too far in to the fringes left and right don't mean anything anymore. Hitler and Stalin had a lot more commonalities than they did differences. They fought because they were in each other's way not because of any fundamental ideological differences.
Agree, both are totalitarian. Nazism tends to be "assigned" to the far right because it is an expression of extreme nationalism, with its emphasis on the traditional. As you move towards the center, the focus on tradition is characteristic of mainstream conservatism.
Communism, in contrast, is assigned to the far left since it's an expression of class warfare where traditional boundaries are dissolved. As you move towards the center from the extreme, that morps into socialism and liberalism.
Why don't you post a link or two showing Bernie on the podium calling for violence against his opponents? That would make your post ever so much more believable.
Even more basic than that, and leaving provocative rhetoric out of it, when the shooter was proven to be a Bernie supporter, no one on the left tried to deny it.
When the bombs started being sent, I saw things on here like "no Republican (or conservative, or Trump supporter) would ever do such a thing," and now that they have a suspect in custody, the denial continues. That is dangerous thinking. NO political party or movement is immune to crazy adherents.
It's funny how folks think other people are so easily swayed to vote a certain way based on one incident but that they are so superior not to fall for that kind of thing -- lol.
This 1000x
I'd love to see the logic that Kavanaugh getting confirmed is somehow destroying D chances at winning seats. It wasn't in their hands to begin with. If anything, I'd see people (especially women) who are angered about their Republican senator confirming them and either not voting or voting away for that seat.
I'd also love to see the logic that just because a Republican votes for a Democrat (or vice versa) due to a single incident that would also mean they would vote D straight down the line. I know plenty of younger Republicans who voted for Clinton or Johnson in 2016 and Republican the rest of the ticket.
Yup. It’s all too convenience they capture a man with a van that leaves NO doubt that he’s a Trump supporter.
Homeless as well this guy seemed cherrypicked to some extent. it’s just a little too convenient if you ask me. Everything they needed to convict him laying in wait..
Not saying that a Trump supporter wouldn’t do this not saying that it wasn’t someone from the left either.
It’s just too neat.
So you're saying he didn't do it and liberal foes plotted to bring him down because of his van?
Or you're saying he was in on the plot with liberals and is accepting the prospect of spending the next 50 years in jail?
And you're saying that somehow, liberal media, liberal power figures, and federal + local law enforcement across multiple jurisdictions have all perfectly colluded with ZERO leaks on this elaborate plot?
You haven't thought this through, have you?
There was a shooting in Pittsburgh today. Ten dead. At a synagogue done by a guy with a lot of anti-semitic statements online. They caught the shooter soon after, a lot faster than this bomber. Is that also too "neat" for you?
You'd rather believe the voices in your head than anything resembling actual corroborating evidence?
Ok.... Exhibit A why cons can't be taken seriously anymore.
Just thinking about it logically. The Democrats had been confident in "The Resistance" and "Blue Wave" for November. Then we get to late October and recent polls aren't looking good for them. Out of nowhere, 2 "White Male Right-Wing Middle-Aged Terrorists" in the span of a week. One of them apparently had no intention of doing damage and had an old van decked out with cheesy right-wing bumper stickers.
It's almost as suspicious as the 2 times in the past year when Trump said he was going to pull all troops out of Syria and then, out of nowhere, "chemical gas attacks" the next day.
Now tell me I'm "un-American" for pointing out statistical anomalies.
Because it's STUPID. That's why.
Listen, for you to believe that this is an elaborate liberal conspiracy, you have to believe that:
1. Both guys with history of hate speech against their targets were framed by liberals
2. Both guys with history of hate speech against their targets were in cahoots with the liberals, which could be curious given their past statements
3. That liberal media, liberal DNC ringleaders, federal police, and local police across multiple jurisdictions are ALL colluding seamlessly - you're talking about hundreds of people at this point - to the degree where no evidence of this plot has leaked out, as would be likely to happen in reality.
In other words, what you are doing is interpreting everything you see to conveniently fit your partisan bias, irrespective of how convoluted a string of implausible things it actually implies.
And there is only one word for that: STUPID. Anyone who rots their brains with these kinds of conspiracy garbage absent any corroborating evidence and in the fact of Occam's Razor and corroborating evidence to the contrary...is the definition of a stupid person.
Next up is how 9/11 was a liberal plot....so was landing on the moon....so was World War 2...so was Elvis... At what point do you stop with your nonsense? Never.
Listen, for you to believe that this is an elaborate liberal conspiracy, you have to believe that:
1. Both guys with history of hate speech against their targets were framed by liberals
2. Both guys with history of hate speech against their targets were in cahoots with the liberals, which could be curious given their past statements
3. That liberal media, liberal DNC ringleaders, federal police, and local police across multiple jurisdictions are ALL colluding seamlessly - you're talking about hundreds of people at this point - to the degree where no evidence of this plot has leaked out, as would be likely to happen in reality.
In other words, what you are doing is interpreting everything you see to conveniently fit your partisan bias, irrespective of how convoluted a string of implausible things it actually implies.
And there is only one word for that: STUPID. Anyone who rots their brains with these kinds of conspiracy garbage absent any corroborating evidence and in the fact of Occam's Razor and corroborating evidence to the contrary...is the definition of a stupid person.
Next up is how 9/11 was a liberal plot....so was landing on the moon....so was World War 2...so was Elvis... At what point do you stop with your nonsense? Never.
How did someone living in a van get high quality window graphics made for his van?
How did his van not get vandalized in a heavy dem area, when people are getting their cars vandalized for 1 trump sticker, or beaten up just for wearing a trump hat?
How could he drive this van around without being stopped by police, for obscured windows?
How did most of the bombs arrive on same day in various states with insufficient postage, and not postmarked? (I'm REALLY curious about this one)
How did someone living in a van get high quality window graphics made for his van?
How did his van not get vandalized in a heavy dem area, when people are getting their cars vandalized for 1 trump sticker, or beaten up just for wearing a trump hat?
How could he drive this van around without being stopped by police, for obscured windows?
How did most of the bombs arrive on same day in various states with insufficient postage, and not postmarked? (I'm REALLY curious about this one)
How could a convicted felon vote?
One simple question for you: Why is there not one shred of evidence that he ever had any connection with any person or group on the left?
How did someone living in a van get high quality window graphics made for his van?
Getting stickers made to put in your van windows is not exactly an elaborate, expensive affair. How did he afford gas and food? Not unreasonable to assume he still had something in the loose change drawer.
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How did his van not get vandalized in a heavy dem area, when people are getting their cars vandalized for 1 trump sticker, or beaten up just for wearing a trump hat?
That's just a stupid statement that has nothing to do with evidence or fact. You are making an assumption that because he had a MAGA had or had some Trump stickers, that he MUST have gotten vandalized by now because "all liberals are violent" or some bull**** opinion like that. That's nonsensical. Plenty of cars with Trump stickers or otherwise DON'T get vandalized, even in higher crime areas. It's primarily a matter of probability.
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How could he drive this van around without being stopped by police, for obscured windows?
It could have been illegal and he could have gotten caught if they noticed, but not sure how much he was driving it, or if the routes he happened to drive recently had cops around or not. People get away with illegal stuff on their cars every day, like lights not working or registrations being out of date. Doesn't mean there is some big conspiracy. And you think if there is a big DNC conspiracy out of Washington for this guy, the word would trickle down to local FL police not to apprehend him and they would all comply and stay silent about it? That's pretty stupid.
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How did most of the bombs arrive on same day in various states with insufficient postage, and not postmarked? (I'm REALLY curious about this one)
Post credible evidence of that. I'm REALLY curious about this one.
How could a convicted felon vote?[/quote]
He has a criminal history, but he's not a convicted felon. That's how. And this is a good example of where you swallow lies from some right-wing forum and create your own sloppy "alternative facts" to fit the biased outcome you want to believe from the start.
Despite nine arrests since 1991, Sayoc is not a convicted felon, according to records from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
In conclusion, it's not even hard to take down your conspiracy sleuthing. Apparently, it's harder for you to believe that a guy with a long history of crime, mental instability, and inflammatory statements on social media went overboard and mailed out some pipe bombs than it is to believe that there was an elaborate plot involving hundreds of coordinated liberals across multiple states, with zero leaks of the inside crime. Pretty dumb.
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it’s just a little too convenient if you ask me. Everything they needed to convict him laying in wait..
