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Old 11-08-2018, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I sincerely doubt that his tax returns contain anything inappropriate. If they had, the IRS would surely have descended upon him by now. I encourage Dems to waste away the next two years on this, however. It will make the 2020 election a much easier effort.
Indeed. I feel these actions are a gross misrepresentation of the duties of a representative. They need to focus on REPRESENTING the people of their districts..not conduct a petty witch hunt for personal reasons
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:55 AM
 
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Except there is an existing law on the books empowering them to do so.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/09/05/pol...le.com%2F&rm=1
OK, I stand updated and corrected.

Fun thing about this game the House may be embarking on - the Senate Finance Committee can also request any tax returns they want under the exact same provision in IRS 6103(c-o). Not just the President, but anyone.

What an interesting bit of political gamesmanship upcoming. House Ways & Means and Senate Finance committees going back and forth, flexing power, puffing out chests, etc.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:26 AM
 
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Addendum to my previous post - anyone else find it disturbing that according to IRS rule 6103, your tax return actually isn't private? It's institutional, legal doxxing. Whoever runs either the House Ways & Means Committee or the Senate Finance committee enjoys a job that exists outside the 4th and 5th Amendment. It's a legal blackmail framework. See, a tax return might be legal and all that, but it could have bad political optics that can derail careers...so do as we say....

That's a frightening thing.
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Old 11-08-2018, 12:07 PM
 
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Addendum to my previous post - anyone else find it disturbing that according to IRS rule 6103, your tax return actually isn't private? It's institutional, legal doxxing. Whoever runs either the House Ways & Means Committee or the Senate Finance committee enjoys a job that exists outside the 4th and 5th Amendment. It's a legal blackmail framework. See, a tax return might be legal and all that, but it could have bad political optics that can derail careers...so do as we say....

That's a frightening thing.
Its not even remotely frightening. Its public record. I also dont freak out about people knowing I have a license, or that I own a house.
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Old 11-08-2018, 12:10 PM
 
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Indeed. I feel these actions are a gross misrepresentation of the duties of a representative. They need to focus on REPRESENTING the people of their districts..not conduct a petty witch hunt for personal reasons
Gross misrepresentation? How about Trump's golfing and rallying every day being a misrepresentation of what he's supposed to be doing as president? Really, you guys crack me up.
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Old 11-08-2018, 12:11 PM
 
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Addendum to my previous post - anyone else find it disturbing that according to IRS rule 6103, your tax return actually isn't private? It's institutional, legal doxxing. Whoever runs either the House Ways & Means Committee or the Senate Finance committee enjoys a job that exists outside the 4th and 5th Amendment. It's a legal blackmail framework. See, a tax return might be legal and all that, but it could have bad political optics that can derail careers...so do as we say....

That's a frightening thing.
I don't care if people see my taxes. Really. I don't. If Congress wanted 'em, they could have 'em.
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Old 11-08-2018, 01:26 PM
 
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Not without first going to court. They aren't above the law.


No, it doesn't have to go to court. No, it's not above the law. A 1924 law gives them every right.
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Old 11-08-2018, 01:33 PM
 
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OK, I stand updated and corrected.

Fun thing about this game the House may be embarking on - the Senate Finance Committee can also request any tax returns they want under the exact same provision in IRS 6103(c-o). Not just the President, but anyone.

What an interesting bit of political gamesmanship upcoming. House Ways & Means and Senate Finance committees going back and forth, flexing power, puffing out chests, etc.
Oh noes! They might release Senator Warrens tax returns! Oh wait..she released her last 10 years.

Hmmm....Maybe Cory Bookers then! Nope...he released his last 15.

Oh I know! Pelosi! There we go. found someone who hasnt, just took a couple tries. And...no one cares. Go for it. Meanwhile lets release....

Ted Cruz! Nope, he released 5 years

Nunes then! Lets do it!

In fact, maybe we could just ask for the last 5 years of all seated house and Senate members. I think that would be great!
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Old 11-08-2018, 01:47 PM
 
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Good luck with that. They have no right to inspect a private citizen's tax returns. But I hope they try - should play well next campaign season when they try to explain why they went for this as their first task after winning election, instead of doing something to actually help the American people.
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Old 11-08-2018, 01:56 PM
 
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Except there is an existing law on the books empowering them to do so.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/09/05/pol...le.com%2F&rm=1
According to the article: "The committee Chairs could share the returns with their committee members in closed session." Fine. But if they discuss anything talked about in closed session, they should be removed from the Chair position.

Also: "If the committee thinks releasing the returns to the House or Senate would further a legitimate committee purpose, they're permitted to do so, according to George Yin, a former chief of staff at the Joint Committee on Taxation and a professor of law at the University of Virginia." I'd love for them to show what legitimate purpose releasing them could possibly be. And no, having their feelings hurt about the 2016 elections doesn't count as a legit purpose.
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