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Old 11-30-2018, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Anecdotes don't disprove statistics. You are taking the wrong tack here. If you want to argue that the official poverty rate (income alone) is a better measure than the supplemental rate (income and costs) then you need to make an argument about why costs can be ignored *for all people*, not just for your own case.

I specifically said, TWICE, the answer lies in between the two methodologies.

So you can grasp, and because you are hung up on my using my own situation as "poverty."

In CA you have two people, single, retired. Each makes 24K, and are retired.

They can both be doing either fine, or poverty stricken.

Person A: paid off mortgage, has no car payment or debt. Can easily live on 2K per month, able to put small amounts into savings.
Person B: rents a single bedroom apartment, has a small car payment, and some debt. Lives paycheck to paycheck slowly accruing more debt if emergencies arise.

COL majorly affects Person B, and minimally affects Person A. Your COL calculation barely applies to Person A, putting her into poverty while she is actually okay. Person B on the other hand is definitely in what most would consider "poverty."
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Old 11-30-2018, 09:36 PM
 
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Moral of the story.

Find the least desirable place in the USA with the shortest life spans, worst weather and highest obesity and STDS. Buy a place and live like a King.

Right?

Many of these posts are proof positive of the old maxim "A little knowledge is worse than none at all".

What the OP should really be crying about are states like KY that take vastly more money from ME and from others to finance themselves...than they pay in. That's a real crime.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-mos...vernment/2700/

Here are the takers.....top ten. California isn't one of them.

1 New Mexico 83.22 3 5
2 Kentucky 78.96 5 4
3 Mississippi 75.84 8 2
4 Alabama 71.86 4 13
5 West Virginia 67.83 6 16
6 South Carolina 67.81 2 29
7 Arizona 67.22 11 3
8 Alaska 64.16 9 10
9 Montana 63.80 15 6
10 Louisiana 58.91 34 1

California gives much more than it takes - so the OP should be thankful for their "poverty" as it is financing him and his friends.
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Old 11-30-2018, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Because California has the highest per cent of everything!

It has the most people, the most wealth, the most industry, the most intelligence, the most idiocy, and the most extremes of the human condition.

Naturally, it's going to have the most poverty too, just by the numbers. I'm sure the number of poor people in California is much larger than the total population of my home state, Idaho. And so is the number of very wealthy people.

If that claim is true, and I'm not at all sure it is. Poverty is one of those things that's hard to pin down by simple statistics.
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Old 12-01-2018, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Moral of the story.

Find the least desirable place in the USA with the shortest life spans, worst weather and highest obesity and STDS. Buy a place and live like a King.

Right?

Many of these posts are proof positive of the old maxim "A little knowledge is worse than none at all".

What the OP should really be crying about are states like KY that take vastly more money from ME and from others to finance themselves...than they pay in. That's a real crime.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-mos...vernment/2700/

Here are the takers.....top ten. California isn't one of them.

1 New Mexico 83.22 3 5
2 Kentucky 78.96 5 4
3 Mississippi 75.84 8 2
4 Alabama 71.86 4 13
5 West Virginia 67.83 6 16
6 South Carolina 67.81 2 29
7 Arizona 67.22 11 3
8 Alaska 64.16 9 10
9 Montana 63.80 15 6
10 Louisiana 58.91 34 1

California gives much more than it takes - so the OP should be thankful for their "poverty" as it is financing him and his friends.
Model states that know how to bring the bacon home and then keep it. 9 of the 10 vote Republican.
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Old 12-01-2018, 09:56 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Yeah, but by that definition you could be a billionaire and still in poverty. Or at least I could.
I think you missed the word minimalist in my post.

If the only thing you are using your income for is food, water, electricity,and rent and you have nothing left over at the end of the month, then you are in poverty.
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Old 12-01-2018, 09:59 AM
 
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Mild climate draws a lot of homeless people.
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Old 12-01-2018, 10:00 AM
 
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Model states that know how to bring the bacon home and then keep it. 9 of the 10 vote Republican.
And what has that got them? more poverty with the southern states anyway.
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Old 12-01-2018, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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And what has that got them? more poverty with the southern states anyway.
No Cali is the #1 poverty state. The North freed the slaves and now they owe them a living.
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Old 12-03-2018, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Weird how you link a federal official with a state statistic. The two arent related. Pelosi doesn't affect the state that much. But oh, right. Pelosi is one of your boogymen.
I went back and read the OP again and I still don't see where it says Pelosi is responsible for the CA poverty disaster.
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Old 12-03-2018, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Uh, bad question. She is the leader of a HOUSE DISTRICT, not the state.

A better question would be why the state with a SENATOR OR TWO (those people are real state-wide) including the HEAD OF THE SENATE and a famous Fake Libertarian.....is always at the bottom of the pile of states.

Yep, McConnel and Rand Paul. Can't they bring home enough bacon to make KY opiate-free?

#45 in Health Care
#46 in Fiscal Stability
#45 in Economy

Please - explain to me how the most powerful Senator can't raise his state above that?

Pelosi is the pol for one tiny part of the city of San Fran.
Median income of about 50K there. (29K rest of USA).

87% are high school grads (only 80% in total US)
55% college degrees (28% rest of USA).

Poverty is approx 15%, the same as the entire USA number.....

Thanks for playing and proving to us that Pelosi made her people more educated and wealthier than you, whilst McConnell and Paul and others made them much worse off. Facts matter.
Please try to stay on topic. CA's poverty rate when adjusted for cost of living is THE HIGHEST STATE IN THE USA at 23.8%. On the other end of the scale, that compares to Iowa at 8.6%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_poverty_rate
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