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Old 01-10-2019, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Watching The Wheels - John Lennon





no problems only solutions.
I don’t like that one either.

Vladimir is still worse.
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Old 01-10-2019, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I don’t like that one either.

Vladimir is still worse.
John had some redeeming qualities. Vlad, not so much.

Still, you slipped again as the megalomania came through. And it started when you were beginning to pontificate about the value and use of goods and resources.

We went over all of that before though. You still insist on having the right to classify a banana as a food when I may use it as my god to worship or have sex with it...or both...as is my right.

And once we get into these specifics there is only one conclusion: a centralized involuntary State put in place to determine value, function, and all other aspects of everything on earth as a basis for future resolutions between two parties.
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Old 01-10-2019, 05:39 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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I don’t like that one either.

Vladimir is still worse.
I got to go back to work tomorrow as my vacation is coming to a halt ... my car died yesterday too, so this really sucks.

I've most enjoyed reading your post and will continue to do so ... Just not as often.

no problems only solutions ...
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Old 01-10-2019, 05:43 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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John had some redeeming qualities. Vlad, not so much.

Still, you slipped again as the megalomania came through. And it started when you were beginning to pontificate about the value and use of goods and resources.

We went over all of that before though. You still insist on having the right to classify a banana as a food when I may use it as my god to worship or have sex with it...or both...as is my right.

And once we get into these specifics there is only one conclusion: a centralized involuntary State put in place to determine value, function, and all other aspects of everything on earth as a basis for future resolutions between two parties.
However, the one thing we failed at is the one question that needs to be answered, before anything else can come into play ...

Do we have ownership of ourselves?

Without that answered, it doesn't matter what you want to do with that banana.
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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John had some redeeming qualities. Vlad, not so much.

Still, you slipped again as the megalomania came through. And it started when you were beginning to pontificate about the value and use of goods and resources.

We went over all of that before though. You still insist on having the right to classify a banana as a food when I may use it as my god to worship or have sex with it...or both...as is my right.

And once we get into these specifics there is only one conclusion: a centralized involuntary State put in place to determine value, function, and all other aspects of everything on earth as a basis for future resolutions between two parties.
I don’t care what you do with a banana.


You can’t own what you don’t operate under and mass production must be owned equally by all those involved. Distribution of excess goods is free to everyone else.

If you want freedom you must get rid of private authority which requires state power.

Freedom requires equality to exist.
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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However, the one thing we failed at is the one question that needs to be answered, before anything else can come into play ...

Do we have ownership of ourselves?

Without that answered, it doesn't matter what you want to do with that banana.
Of course we do. I know less than 1% of the population doesn't agree but to think otherwise is folly.
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I don’t care what you do with a banana.


You can’t own what you don’t operate under and mass production must be owned equally by all those involved. Distribution of excess goods is free to everyone else.

If you want freedom you must get rid of private authority which requires state power.

Freedom requires equality to exist.
We disagree of course.

But I won't stop the commune from existing. I have no right to. Try to initiate force on myself and private property and I will use defensive force.
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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We disagree of course.

But I won't stop the commune from existing. I have no right to. Try to initiate force on myself and private property and I will use defensive force.
I don’t want to start a commune, I want everyone to have an equal working relationship and work mutually for larger production, not to value labor as a commodity.


If private property goes away, people will have to work together.
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I don’t want to start a commune, I want everyone to have an equal working relationship and work mutually for larger production, not to value labor as a commodity.


If private property goes away, people will have to work together.
What happens if I peacefully disagree? Gulag? Water torture?
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:34 PM
 
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What happens if I peacefully disagree? Gulag? Water torture?
Guillotine.
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