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Old 01-01-2019, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Bellevue WA
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If you want anyone to listen to you, my suggestion is to change your screen name.

But you might just be trolling. And you are very wrong.

Just for starters, about 10% of the population has IQ under 80. That would seem to be an impediment tohigher paying jobs. Add in those born with disabilities and you are already at 12-13%.
Calling them "stupid" is ridiculous...they were BORN that way and they exist. Look up the numbers.

Add in those raised in polluted areas where they ingest lead, mercury and other toxic chemicals while their brains are developing, and you have MILLIONS more.
Are people born with the wrong genes "stupid" or "lazy"?

You don't live in the Real World. I have...at times. Examples:

1. I was raised in an upwardly mobile family - first lived in tiny apartments and row houses, have lots of poor relatives, but parents did well and I lived upper middle class after that.

2. I went to Military school and met many types from all over.

3. I homesteaded for 3+ years, living on about a dollar per day in the sticks - no running water, no toilets, no A/C or anything else of the sort.

4. I started and ran many businesses - from contracting to manufacturing - dealt with employees, suppliers, traveled to Europe and imported equipment, etc.

5. Ran large communities online - founded them and ran for over 20 years....had vast experience with not only the guts of the interweb, but with people in general.

6. Have volunteered for many types of orgs, from Jesuit teaching non-profits in the worst cities to boys and girls clubs and to Meals on Wheels and many more....

7. I have family that were born with non-inherited (win the wrong lottery) major genetic problems.

I've seen a lot and nothing that I have seen or experienced would jive with your number...or even close.

But, sure, you are entitled to that Realty and Opinion. So, what is next? Are we from Aliens? Millions of Americans think so and they claim to live in the real world too.

I would say that healthy people with an IQ at normal or above that live in areas with decent opportunities...yes, those people should be able to make it out of poverty. But that's not 95% of the population. Not nearly.
Definitely a troll. Let's not buy into this crap this year. This thread is probably computer generated. It's already been proven they're out there on CD, and we're going to encounter phony threads and computer programs. This is all political warfare and hatefulness. Last year was a field day for this sort of disruption. Let's just let it go this year. If this thing wants to go about some mission of division amongst our ranks, meaning Americans and or CityData members, let it. There's nothing we can do about it's agenda, but we don't have to help it along. Let's just not direct any responses toward the incendiary endgame.
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Old 01-01-2019, 11:48 AM
 
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If it’s being outsourced or downsized then they should’ve been working on a new skill. It is their fault. They also should’ve used that income to build some passive income in real estate.

American capitalism doesn’t stop because your job gets replaced by a robot or sent to a factory in China.

You’ll never stop learning in this world.
Who is going to do the lowing pay jobs then in our service economy if they account for 50% of the market force?
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Old 01-01-2019, 12:00 PM
 
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Has it dawned on anyone that the people with the money, who send their kids to the big money schools, have the high paying jobs already "earmarked" for their Pampered Children..... they network with other corporate people, and since they often want to get around Nepotism, they hire each other's and their friends kids....

It's a big part of why we have such Horrible Corporate Decisions... many of the people in the top seats, never really worked for anything, some never even cleaned their own rooms, and many left home where someone did the laundry, they went to school with a credit card or a few, or a trust fund and they spent their summer working in their parents friends and associate firms in an office setting, doing not much of anything, other than showing up... and run a few errands.

Its as true in a big city as it is in small towns... Every town has their elite families.... Of the 10's of thousands of kids coming from well to do and wealthy families, go into the high paying jobs... families who have town or city recognition has an assurance by their associations and relations that their kids do not have to work an average pay job... so the actual available slots for "high pay"... is not open to the general public. One would have to have outstanding credentials and skills, and still they will end up working "under" one of these "silk carpet riders"....

If one look at the Median Income Range, of any city... Many people from non marquee universities and colleges may earn close to Median Income and a great many end up using their degree like a "get a job certificate'... if one looks at the job posting, which calls for a degree, or comparable experience, when fact it, they go after the degree long before they consider those with experience....

We've all seen people with degree, who don't have the work motivation or the work ethic's of people who actually perform higher labor intensive jobs. We've seen people put in position that make horrible decisions.
After 4 yrs of learning how to be submissive to the professor for a grade, many come into the work force looking for people with name recognition and go into submission and name dropping, as their way of moving about. As long as they pander to the name... they get the less intensive work duties.
If University Graduates was a sign of high progressive ethnics, we'd have more innovation, people would have learned the people skills and they'd be aware that it is the people who do the intensive labor that actually makes the job function.

Many people in the title roles have poor budget management skills, they focus more on how to strip something to come in under budget with hopes to get a bonus for "diminishing the quality standards and over burdening the workforce".

We will "never" return to the products of the 1940's and 1950's that had a durable standard of quality, and even were repairable for longevity.

How many things can anyone name that has lived up to "Advertising Hype".... even "services" fall far short of what's advertised and after the advertising teaser, comes the reduction in services, followed by the fee based on getting what was previously advertised.
How often do people get something from a bank... changing the terms of a checking account"... of some type of services, sending out a notice of what they will "no longer provide".. This is the game taught to the Degree Riders who chases a bonus and name recognition and will craft any kind of policy that is designed to fleece the consumer, so they can get a raise and/or bonus and a pat on the back with a new title.
Every since "degrees' became more important than the skilled laborer... Everything in America has declined.

In the 1940's and even in the 1960's people with BA and BS degree, actually specialized in something they were dedicated to, and had concern about the field they chose and had more concern about improving the field's work production or innovation for better functions.... Many today, switch majors a number of times, looking for low impact high credit classes, only to get to the magical number of credits that provide the Degree Certificate.
Even in the Medical Field, all Doctors are not good doctors... and if one ever look at the "billing rate"... its purely insane because "ethics is gone"... its about "patient turn overs for revenue"... you get three minutes and a prescription and if you go to an Emergency Room, for non surgical needs, look at the bill, and then look at what was not done and what little that was done... which is mostly done by the on staff nurses and nurse assistants, yet, the doctor will submit a $300+ bill... when they may have spent 35 seconds in your presence.

Being Poor is not the choice some think it is... its the system of society, that has much already marked for the wealthy.

Look back at the era of Slavery... what did the slave owners send their kids to school to be, and what fields did those kids dominate.
They dominated "Medicine" because its as close to guaranteed money, as was slavery at producing guaranteed money for the slave owners. "Law'... the same things, "Insurance", the same things, "Banking and Finance", the same things... "Advertising and Marketing", the same things.... "Merchandising", the same things... Never into anything where "price fixing was not a standard mode of operating".

There was never a need for the escalation of "inflation" in the ways and rates that it happens.. its only because when people think they need something, and these people feel they are hooked on the need, or in serious need of something, then the Price goes up, and the quality goes down and if its products the quantity decrease.

No adult over 21 should be paid as low as Minimum Wage... and if its a single parent under 21, they too should not be paid as low as minimum wage.
HUD has rental rate standards that's published as to what is the rental rates for every part of the country. Transportation is not free, and utilities are not free and food and personal care items are not free.
and the collective of these things cannot be met with Minimum Wage Rates.
That current level... should only be applied to "After School Work for Teenagers who live at home and do not have kids and do not have the responsibility to contribute to the family's stability".

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Old 01-01-2019, 12:01 PM
 
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Its Systemically Dysfunctional
Riggers, and maintainers of, dysfunction - make fortunes.

Problem solvers are . . 86ed.

Stupidity is often used as a necessity.

Many stupidities are purposedly created, and maintained - by professional stupidifiers.

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Old 01-01-2019, 12:33 PM
 
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I blame past leadership, but not liquidation leadership, just recently hired.

They are 2 distinct sets of executives.

IMO long tenure Sears execs (10 plus years) do not deserve bonuses.
Right, when things going well, the workers build the company not the shareholders or the executives.
When things going south, we blame the executives.
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Old 01-01-2019, 12:38 PM
 
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Right, when things going well, the workers build the company not the shareholders or the executives.
When things going south, we blame the executives.
That may be what some say, but reality is like this.

When things are going well, the execs deserve the lions share of the wealth.
When things go south, the execs deserve to walk away with a golden parachute.
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Old 01-01-2019, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Not minor in aggregate. BLS estimates Wal Mart saves its typical shopper $500 a year, which is $800-$900 gross pay to net $500.
Funny thing, I can't find anything about BLS that supports your claim. A link to your source would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 01-01-2019, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Right, when things going well, the workers build the company not the shareholders or the executives.
When things going south, we blame the executives.
So you think that the employees of a company like Sears cause business to fail? That is just bizarre...
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Old 01-01-2019, 01:03 PM
 
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The thing is people keep themselves unskilled no action is required by others. We all know siblings where one is successful and one isn’t. Yes, everyone can’t be successful but there is no one who can’t be successful.

Even musical chairs is not completely decided by random. I saw a 110 pound woman and a 250 pound woman go for the same chair once. Guess who ended up in the chair?

It's like saying that anyone can become president. Even if everyone had the qualities to be president, in a country of 330 million, that math just don't work. Its a good thing, then, that a lot of people are not go getters because if everybody tried to go get it ....it would quickly be sold out, leaving most disappointed. It's kind of like those door buster sales where you can get really good deals on electronic items, but they only stock 50 at that price. If only 45 people show up, there are still 5 left over and one could argue that OPPORTUNITY exist for this great deal, but people just did not demonstrate the will to take advantage of it. However, if 100 people showed up, then one will learn that what seemed like an opportunity for everyone was really only an opportunity for the first 50 of everyone . Hence, if you did not go get your great deal, you only have yourself to blame.

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Old 01-01-2019, 01:19 PM
 
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Yah right. I think we made mistakes which led to millon+ dollar shacks. I don't want to end up with US being Ameri-Brazil even if I would profit from it. That is just soulless.
How about Ruskie land?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...to-us-citizens
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