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Old 12-30-2018, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Well the Trump health plan was a mess and in the end Obamacare merely shifted the amount of people that already had health care to some that did not. It cost some people more and others less. The biggest crock of obamacare was that it was mandated and the IRS was tasked with fining people if they did not have adequate coverage. I know 2 people that were fined. I know others that lost their care entirely and were forced to pay much more than before.



As for the wall who is blocking funding for that right now out of political spite? The Dems laugh at having border security, they think it is a joke. Mexico could pay for the wall if we were to raise the fees on money that is transferred out of the country via Western Union and others.



At least Trump is trying to get something done. How many politicians from both sides of the aisle over the years have promised the moon and delivered a pile of doggie poo?

Trump is trying to fulfill his pledges and that is more than most do.





The problem with your logic is that Trump promised you something that was akin to building a Tower of Babel...…..it was a flawed idea from the git go. You could build that stupid wall completely around America, make it 100 feet tall, put a moat around it with alligators every 5 feet, and they would still dig under it, or find some other way in. Don't believe me ? Build it and see just how long it takes them to figure out a way in.

His simplistic little mind came up with this great idea, and he was skillful enough of a con artist to sell it to your side. The sad part is, by now you should have come to the realization of how stupid it was, but your side keeps defending it.

 
Old 12-30-2018, 04:29 PM
 
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I blame Trump for every angry liberal.
 
Old 12-30-2018, 04:30 PM
 
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Trump did too at a much lower cost. How did that work out?

An amazingly useless deflection....


trump lied...


Did obama? That is what he campaigned on, yes, all Americans will be insured? Yes or No?
 
Old 12-30-2018, 04:32 PM
 
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The problem with your logic is that Trump promised you something that was akin to building a Tower of Babel...…..it was a flawed idea from the git go. You could build that stupid wall completely around America, make it 100 feet tall, put a moat around it with alligators every 5 feet, and they would still dig under it, or find some other way in. Don't believe me ? Build it and see just how long it takes them to figure out a way in.

His simplistic little mind came up with this great idea, and he was skillful enough of a con artist to sell it to your side. The sad part is, by now you should have come to the realization of how stupid it was, but your side keeps defending it.

And you supported obama giving everyone medical insurance.....




Keep smacking that head....
 
Old 12-30-2018, 04:35 PM
 
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The best liar of all time, that is !



15 falsehoods per day !!!!!!!! How can a man his age work THAT hard ??

And you cite WaPo, one of the most crooked of the MSM as proof?

Gawd help you Son. They apparently own you completely.


If it wasn't for the easily influenced, they'd be completely out of business.
 
Old 12-30-2018, 04:50 PM
 
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An amazingly useless deflection....


trump lied...


Did obama? That is what he campaigned on, yes, all Americans will be insured? Yes or No?
It's hypocritical to keep blaming Obama in the way you keep bringing him up and trying to pretend it far surpasses what Trump has said. No, really. I didnt vote for Obama. Hold them both to the same standard.

If you feel like Obama had Lie of the Year by saying that...well Trump has matched it. He said better healthcare for cheaper for all. Where is that plan? We haven't seen it yet. 2 years is plenty of time to at least start to have something to present and talk about. That mess in Congress was nothing like he promised.
 
Old 12-30-2018, 05:09 PM
 
Location: FL
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The best liar of all time, that is !

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factc...cid=spartandhp


15 falsehoods per day !!!!!!!! How can a man his age work THAT hard ??
Well, he does like to be number one and being a liar comes so easy to him.
 
Old 12-30-2018, 05:16 PM
 
Location: FL
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Maybe, but Lie of the Year......belongs to which president?
A look back at Lie of the Year, 2009 to 2017
2017: Russian election interference is a 'made-up story'

President Donald Trump repeatedly insisted that Russia did not interfere in the U.S. elections of 2016. In fact, in both classified and public reports, U.S. intelligence agencies said Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered actions to interfere with the election. Those actions included the cyber-theft of data, propaganda against candidates, and an overall effort to undermine public faith in the democratic process.

Trump continually asserted that Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election was fake news, a hoax or a made-up story, even though there is widespread, bipartisan evidence to the contrary.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ear-2009-2017/
 
Old 12-30-2018, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Florida
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An amazingly useless deflection....
trump lied...
Did obama? That is what he campaigned on, yes, all Americans will be insured? Yes or No?
But, let's look a little deeper. Obama actually tried to insure all Americans. He got passed as much legislation as he could with the GOP, Tea Party and the Koch Bros. obstructing with a barrage of anti-ads, fear of death panels, protests, etc.

Trump has just whipped off as many EOs as possible, because the guy is not capable of putting together a team or coalition. He has done nothing in regard to his grand rally promises.

And, as of now--he's left everyone up in the air, not knowing which way insurance is going, what is covered, what the insurance companies will do.....in short--he's made a mess and accomplished nothing in the way of health care. The hated mandate is gone, and people over 45 are going to be freaking out when they see that they are carrying the bulk of the premiums at a higher cost. Or buy a junk policy--and find out later what isn't covered.

Trump governs by emotion and chaos, but this is not going to fly with our health insurance.
 
Old 12-30-2018, 05:21 PM
 
Location: FL
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And you supported obama giving everyone medical insurance.....




Keep smacking that head....
"Nobody knew health care could be so complicated." Donald Trump
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