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View Poll Results: What contributed most to the decline of the Rust Belt?
Unfair trade agreements /outsourcing 32 39.51%
Government overregulation including the EPA 8 9.88%
Unions becoming too demanding 24 29.63%
Overtaxation of American industries 5 6.17%
Competition from the Sun Belt 10 12.35%
Deterioration of race relations in Rust Belt cities 2 2.47%
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Old 01-07-2019, 08:56 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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It's a travesty what's happened in the Rust Belt in the past 30 years with the loss of the American Dream. An especially tragic situation where communities and families who used to be very well off making an honest living are now in dire straits. I know that even President Trump can only do so much to bring jobs back to America and revitalize these communities but only he can do so much.

The poverty of the Rust Belt is especially tragic since these are often formerly middle class people who have seen all hope disappear, unlike the generational poverty in some other parts of the country. I'm from the Deep South and there's a lot of poverty among the black population here but many of them have always lived in poverty and is everything they know. Same with the impoverished immigrant communities of California and the Texas border regions, all they've known is the hard life in Latin America and anything in America is better. It's especially difficult for someone who has known better days to lose everything due to factors often beyond their control.

This is interesting because I've lived many years in West Virginia and the Baltimore region which are outposts of the Rust Belt in a way, with the closure of multiple coal mines in WV and the completely destruction of the steel and automaking industries in Baltimore during my lifetime.

Many factors have contributed to the economic ruin of these areas in the past 30 years. Which of these do YOU think is most prominent?
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Old 01-07-2019, 09:01 PM
 
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It's a travesty what's happened in the Rust Belt in the past 30 years with the loss of the American Dream. An especially tragic situation where communities and families who used to be very well off making an honest living are now in dire straits. I know that even President Trump can only do so much to bring jobs back to America and revitalize these communities but only he can do so much.

The poverty of the Rust Belt is especially tragic since these are often formerly middle class people who have seen all hope disappear, unlike the generational poverty in some other parts of the country. I'm from the Deep South and there's a lot of poverty among the black population here but many of them have always lived in poverty and is everything they know. Same with the impoverished immigrant communities of California and the Texas border regions, all they've known is the hard life in Latin America and anything in America is better. It's especially difficult for someone who has known better days to lose everything due to factors often beyond their control.

This is interesting because I've lived many years in West Virginia and the Baltimore region which are outposts of the Rust Belt in a way, with the closure of multiple coal mines in WV and the completely destruction of the steel and automaking industries in Baltimore during my lifetime.

Many factors have contributed to the economic ruin of these areas in the past 30 years. Which of these do YOU think is most prominent?
LMAO...the black population? In the Deep South, there’s a helluva lot of entrenched poverty in the white population too. And they’ve lived in it for generations and it’s all they know too.

And I damn sure can’t figure out what poor southern black people have to do with Rust Belt decline. But as usual, you just HAD to throw that in, huh?
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Old 01-07-2019, 09:01 PM
 
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Unions and bad trade deals played big roles, but the good news is, there is a lot of manufacturing in the Rust Belt even now, much of it at lower, sustainable wage levels. still far better than alternative labor options in most cases.
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Old 01-07-2019, 09:02 PM
 
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Unions and bad trade deals played big roles, but the good news is, there is a lot of manufacturing in the Rust Belt even now, much of it at lower, sustainable wage levels. till far better than alternative labor options in most cases.
Yeah right...it’s all the Union’s fault.

Nothing to do with corporate greed. Nah...that played no part. Paying people good wages that boosted the tax base of an entire region is what ruined EVERYTHING. SMH
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Old 01-07-2019, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Unions and bad trade deals played big roles, but the good news is, there is a lot of manufacturing in the Rust Belt even now, much of it at lower, sustainable wage levels. still far better than alternative labor options in most cases.
Competition, automation and a changing world, US citizens want cheaper products. You can forget about coal, its not coming back in spite of Trumps claims and that is for the best. Detroit was almost destroyed because of protectionism and complacency, what manufacturing is there in the rust belt.
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Old 01-07-2019, 09:15 PM
 
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Yeah right...it’s all the Union’s fault.

Nothing to do with corporate greed. Nah...that played no part. Paying people good wages that boosted the tax base of an entire region is what ruined EVERYTHING. SMH
It is the unions fault they went way too far, and played a big role in killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

However, new job and industries emerged-largely not repeating those mistakes of the past.
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Old 01-07-2019, 09:22 PM
 
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It is the unions fault they went way too far, and played a big role in killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

However, new job and industries emerged-largely not repeating those mistakes of the past.
So you want lower U.S. wages but do not want those wages to be in competition with lower wages from other countries?

Basically you want protectionism against foreign competitors but wage stagnation from domestic companies.


Man. That economic model sucks.
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Old 01-07-2019, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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The midwest is not in ruins. It's come back. Some are doing better than others, but that's true anywhere. Id much rather be here than pretty much any major city because the COL is more reasonable.
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Old 01-07-2019, 09:25 PM
 
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The midwest is not in ruins. It's come back. Some are doing better than others, but that's true anywhere. Id much rather be here than pretty much any major city because the COL is more reasonable.
Based on what? Impossible to evaluate your claim without ant citations or links.
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Old 01-07-2019, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Your list of contributing factors is both incomplete and terribly skewed.

I decline to vote in this poll.
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