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Trump absolutely has had the opportunity to get 25 billion. He just has turned down the best deals he could get at the time, and now with the Democrats running the house, he is going to get nothing I suspect.
There has never been a deal actually on the table that would have given Trump the $25B for a wall upfront or in a way that couldn't be killed in a few years.
A wall is a good idea. It's only dumb people who think the plan is to build a wall and nothing more. The wall will be coupled with enhanced border technology and agents. Statistics show that walls have been effective wherever they have been tried.
Border patrol agents, who actually enforce the border full time, know better than anyone if a wall is needed. And 90% of them say a wall will be an effective and worthwhile tool.
Do you think you know more about border security than border patrol agents?
What I know is that someone that wants to come here, and is willing to cross a desert to do it, is going to realize that they can still get here by sea.
So then the next brilliant idea is that we just keep stretching the dumb wall further around the country right?
And once this dumb wall goes up and there's barely a drop in immigrant crossing, are these people going to admit the wall was always a dumb idea? No! They're going to double down on the stupid. "2 walls around the country and twice as tall...."
There has never been a deal actually on the table that would have given Trump the $25B for a wall upfront or in a way that couldn't be killed in a few years.
Given that any massive project like this, even if it had 25 billion upfront, would take more then a decade to finish, thats really not a valid argument.
Theres no real design, plan, or even any understanding if its a good way to spend money. This would be like giving your 11 year old 10 grand, for spending money, and telling them to use it wisely.
Yes, Nancy should give him some money for the wall. Not some silly amount like $1.00, but a legitimate amount and don't play tricks like the last time they tried to do the DACA for wall deal.
In return, Trump should do something for the dreamers, or whatever else (within reason) the Democrats want.
Yes, Nancy should give him some money for the wall. Not some silly amount like $1.00, but a legitimate amount and don't play tricks like the last time they tried to do the DACA for wall deal.
In return, Trump should do something for the dreamers, or whatever else (within reason) the Democrats want.
And then - every week when Trump or any future Potus or any congress wants ANYTHING they should shut down the government and force the issue?
Unless you want that form of "government" you don't support Trump doing this. Let's not act as if this is party of our normal government as stated in the Constitution. It's not. It's a fantasy made up by the King of Reality TV.
Why shouldn't be pay a million or two to get kidnapped Americans back from terrorists (we don't)? The reason is simple - doing it encourages more of the behavior.
No American can possibly think running the country on temper tantrums is good for the future. It's no a one-off....it's forever or never. Pick one.
What I know is that someone that wants to come here, and is willing to cross a desert to do it, is going to realize that they can still get here by sea.
So then the next brilliant idea is that we just keep stretching the dumb wall further around the country right?
And once this dumb wall goes up and there's barely a drop in immigrant crossing, are these people going to admit the wall was always a dumb idea? No! They're going to double down on the stupid. "2 walls around the country and twice as tall...."
Ok Einstein, explain to me why there are 3000-5000 migrants in Tijuana compounds right now and have been there two months? They are right next to a sea. Do you think maybe they just don't want to come here bad enough? That they left everything behind and walked 3000 miles from Honduras for the exercise? Or maybe, just maybe you don't really know what you think you know?
And history proves it will work. Look up the stats. Illegal apprehensions hit an all-time high of 1.6 million in 2000 and were over a million per year from 2000-2006. Then it dropped sharply each year until down to 350,000 in 2009. Guess what happened between 2006-2009? The 2006 Secure Fence Act which saw hundreds of miles of enhanced fencing constructed.
The facts are not on your side with regards to walls and their effectiveness. Do some research. Then you can debate from a position of understanding instead of mindlessly calling everything you don't understand "dumb" and "stupid".
Given that any massive project like this, even if it had 25 billion upfront, would take more then a decade to finish, thats really not a valid argument.
Theres no real design, plan, or even any understanding if its a good way to spend money. This would be like giving your 11 year old 10 grand, for spending money, and telling them to use it wisely.
In other words, you agree the $25B was not guaranteed? It could have been allocated upfront. That doesn't mean it has to be spent but it could be in DHS account where the next administration can't kill it.
If you want to trickle it out at $2.5B per year then how about we grant a path to citizenship to 10% of DACA kids per year?
And history proves it will work. Look up the stats. Illegal apprehensions hit an all-time high of 1.6 million in 2000 and were over a million per year from 2000-2006. Then it dropped sharply each year until down to 350,000 in 2009. Guess what happened between 2006-2009? The 2006 Secure Fence Act which saw hundreds of miles of enhanced fencing constructed.
The facts are not on your side with regards to walls and their effectiveness. Do some research. Then you can debate from a position of understanding instead of mindlessly calling everything you don't understand "dumb" and "stupid".
Uh.....immigrants come for work.
The housing boom - fake, but none the less real money, occurred until 2006. Then GWB and his Republican friends destroyed the economy. Millions self-deported because there was no work.
Have you already forgotten this. NO WORK. Stock market and housing crash. Recession. NO WORK>
That's is what happened. Fact......
I mean, do you really think people here are so clueless than they don't know about the Great Recession?
Based on your "facts" we'd say Obama was the greatest at sending people back to Mexico. And that Trump is causing a great rise in the number coming. But that's not the case. Walls have nothing to do with either.
"At its lowest
point, February 2010, U.S. employment had
declined by 8.8 million from its prerecession
peak. (See chart 1.) The breadth and depth
of the recession, particularly in comparison
with recent recessions, has led some to label
it “The Great Recession.”4
In 2010, the labor market stabilized as employment grew
modestly. Despite recent improvements, the
labor market continues to struggle from the
aftermath of a historic employment downturn that is notable for its breadth, depth,
and length."`
C'mon - have at least a speck of integrity and intellectual honesty. Walls have nothing to do with anything - economics do.
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