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So economically speaking what were the Nazis exactly? They weren't free market capitalists? I'd say, if you needed to choose between free-market capitalism and socialism, I'd pick socialism. They heavily regulated industries including prices corporations could charge and they directly managed the labor unions.
How convenient, you left fascism off your list of choices. There’s an abundance of people in this thread parroting the same falsehood by lazily conflating democratic-socialism with fascism and Marxist-socialism.
How convenient, you left fascism off your list of choices. There’s an abundance of people in this thread parroting the same falsehood by lazily conflating socialism with fascism.
I wonder why.
Small minds can wonder and wonder. Fascism is not an economic model.
You're really reaching here, Jimmy. I challenge you to show me one bit of evidence that Democrats hate Jews. Hell, the majority of Jews vote Democrat, even in at the state level.
One thing about right wing idiots is that they NEVER post evidence to back up their asinine claims.
Applying American political constructs to 1920s-1940s Germany is awkward and doesn't really make sense. The Nazis did have some socialist political positions (like welfare and health care) but no Americans would consider it socialist since its use was strictly limited to those of "Aryan" descent. This isn't any different from how the National Party (Apartheid South Africa's main political party which despised Communism) provided government jobs and welfare to Afrikaners which is why so many Afrikaners were hardcore Apartheid supporters.
Also, in Europe a lot of left wing parties may be further to the left on economic issues than Democrats in America but they are a lot more right wing on certain cultural issues namely immigration and assimilation. No left wing parties in Europe support illegal immigration and the vast majority of them support immigration restriction. The GOP's views on immigration would be considered far left in much of Europe (Trump's views on immigration would be considered mainstream in Europe). One of the main reasons why there has been so much Turkish and Moroccan immigration to Europe actually has to do with the US pressuring NATO allies in the 50s-60s to take in Turkish and Moroccan immigrants because they were important US allies in the Cold War. West Germany was very opposed to it but the US pressured West Germany into accepting Turkish guest workers.
TL;DR version: Despite superficial appearances, Hitler’s public works programs were not very innovative, and depended more on defense spending than anything else. Even the autobahn program supplied only one-fifth the jobs the Nazi’s claimed it would. Other points of Hitler’s Nazi Party going against socialism. Nazis banned workers from striking for better pay and working conditions, sending strike leaders to concentration camps. Also, the Nazis actually tended to privatize public industries, diametrically against the Western world's then-contemporary trend of nationalizing industries.
*Arresting workers objecting to low pay and unsafe working conditions. (14:22)
*Opposing the Autobahn as a “car only” road, alleging that idea was a “Jewish Capitalist” one. (13:10)
*Skew reemployment figures by forcing women and Jews out of jobs and giving them to German men. (13:34)
*Replaced labor unions with a “Strength Through Joy” Program, that all workers (employees and bosses) had to join. The goal being to get workers away from the Marxist idea of class consciousness and replace it with the idea of an ethnic-folkish consciousness. (14:20)
*Business owners could act freely within their firms but faced tight restrictions within the market, especially when it comes to the bigger interest of the German Volk. (17:06)
*Nazi economic goas were to be self-reliant, not capitalist or socialist. That would allow them to wage war in order to enact their “Lebensraum” policies. (17:37)
*The Nazis (Hitler faction) said that while capitalism was broken, it could be reformed. They distinguished between productive capitalism and what amounts to crony capitalism. (19:06)
*The Nazi Party actually privatized more government-owned/operated businesses than any other Western nation in this time period (21:06)
- Although the Nazi Party bought stock in the Gelsenkirchen Mining Company, the strongest firm inside the United Steelworks conglomerate. HOWEVER, the Nazis reorganized United Steel so that the government’s majority stake of 52% ownership dropped to under 25% (21:31)
- During the 30s, privatization receipts represented 1.4% of the total fiscal revenues of Nazi Germany. (22:04)
Yep.
In fact the first groups the Nazis went after, murdering and imprisoning were the socialist and the communists..
But Trumpy folk don't like the facts so they pretend upis down and down is fake news
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Applying American political constructs to 1920s-1940s Germany is awkward and doesn't really make sense. The Nazis did have some socialist political positions (like welfare and health care) but no Americans would consider it socialist since its use was strictly limited to those of "Aryan" descent. This isn't any different from how the National Party (Apartheid South Africa's main political party which despised Communism) provided government jobs and welfare to Afrikaners which is why so many Afrikaners were hardcore Apartheid supporters.
Also, in Europe a lot of left wing parties may be further to the left on economic issues than Democrats in America but they are a lot more right wing on certain cultural issues namely immigration and assimilation. No left wing parties in Europe support illegal immigration and the vast majority of them support immigration restriction. The GOP's views on immigration would be considered far left in much of Europe (Trump's views on immigration would be considered mainstream in Europe). One of the main reasons why there has been so much Turkish and Moroccan immigration to Europe actually has to do with the US pressuring NATO allies in the 50s-60s to take in Turkish and Moroccan immigrants because they were important US allies in the Cold War. West Germany was very opposed to it but the US pressured West Germany into accepting Turkish guest workers.
It is not really socialist when those benefits go only to one group , one sub set.... That what they Nazis did. They stole the nation's wealth for their sect and they treated everyone else like chattle.. or much much worse.
Small minds can wonder and wonder. Fascism is not an economic model.
And likewise with Nazism. The "socialist" in Nazi is an artifact of its origins. Nazis quickly became fascists and worse. They didn't give a hoot about economics.
This thread really should be in the History section. It is all water under the bridge. There is nothing controversial about what Nazis are, or were.
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