Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
There is no disconnect. As you pointed out, some Southern whites see it as a symbol of their heritage, some Southern whites and most African Americans don’t. So what? Who cares? The American flag isn’t a unifying symbol for all Americans. So what? Who cares?
What is it you hope to accomplish with this thread? You’ve stated several times that this is a issue that needs to be addressed. Why? Are you hoping that people will be expressing some sort of outrage about this?
It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.
Sorry, but if anything shows a lack of education and ignorance, it’s your post.
And I respect that opinion. The likes of Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, they are traitors when you look at it. Lee swore an oath to protect this country. He picked the confederate forces, whom were fighting AGAINST the USA.
If southern heritage means waging war against the USA, that is ironic. There are more people from the South in the U.S. military than any other region.
But in terms of how the Confederate flag is viewed, race is often a big factor in how it is viewed. And is something that should be examined. If the Confederate flag only represents "southern heritage" for one part of the southern population, and another portion of the south's population views it negative, one should really consider why this is.
The answer is self-evident, and it has been addressed. You are asking why African Americans don’t see it as a symbol of their heritage. Really? You don’t know why? Perhaps seeing the flag as a symbol of the hell their ancestors went through under slavery is the reason that they don’t see that flag in a positive manner.
Pretty much means you don't have much of an argument if you've had to do that. Frustrated, eh?
Not frustrated, annoyed. You come here and declare that anyone who disagrees with you is either a white-supremacist, naive, or ignorant.
The reason I mention the Dunning-Kruger effect is because as the saying goes, "The more you know, the more you realize how little you know."
Lefties love believing themselves more-intelligent and morally-superior. And you seem to fit the profile perfectly.
You need to understand this truth. Everyone believes that they're a good person. You aren't accomplishing anything by calling someone ignorant. Don't tell them they are wrong. Show them why they're wrong.
There are plenty of people in this thread who do not believe the Confederate flag is a symbol of white-supremacy. And I highly doubt that any of the people in this thread would consider themselves a white-supremacist.
Why don't you just ask them why they feel that way? Do you even care what they think? Do you care what anyone thinks? Haven't you already made up your mind?
As I said, might it be possible that you are the ignorant one?
Last edited by Redshadowz; 02-10-2019 at 05:27 PM..
It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.
Most southerners didn’t own slaves, but they all supported the system and institutions of slavery.
so did Lincoln and the North. Lincoln and the North supported the Corwin Amendment. So if Lincoln and the North promised the South they could keep theis slaves forever and he would sign a constitutional amendment if the South returned to the Union and pay their taxes and the South refused and were willing ti fight and die for their independence then it kills your myth that most in the South fought over slavery.
Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the War Of Northern Aggression. Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865. U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier, Grant stated "Good help is so hard to come by these days."
Quote:
Originally Posted by desertdetroiter
Why? Because the typical white southener was a poor dirt farmer, they could always count on having a class of humans just below them. Slavery gave poor whites status. They could always dream of owning a few slaves if they could put a few dollars together. Slavery was aspirational for poor southern whites. Not to mention the sexual aspect. White southern men dreamed of wanton rape with women that couldn’t do anything about it and they loved the idea of being able to own and brutalize men that they couldn’t physically handle in a million years without slavery.
And if you could cobble together enough money for a male and female slave, then that’s extra revenue when you sell off the children. If you kept the children, that was an awesome financial asset. If the children were girls, that’s just the more sexual exploitation that white slave owners, their sons, and overseers could take advantage of.
So it doesn’t matter that most southerners were too broke to own slaves and that most of those people were also too uneducated and dumb to ever become prosperous plantation owners themselves. There were still enough benefits and inducements to keep poor whites on board.
Poor whites in the South didn’t get the memo that they were being duped until they started dying in droves during the Civil War. Then they realized that wealthy plantation owners had been fooling them all along, but it was too late by then.
Did you make this up? LMAO!!! yeah, that was the American dream of every poor white in the south, to save money and buy a slave. Nevermind that owning a slave was expensive. You had to buy him and take care of him for life. Food, roof, medical attention, clothing, training........but according to you that was the dream of every poor white person in the South......LMAO!!!!
That was also the dream of every poor person in Brazil, Puerto Rico, Cuba and the rest of the European colonies in the Americas, to save the little money they had to buy black slaves to work in the lands they were too poor to own.....LMAO!!!!
Social Justice Warrior isn't making fun of people seeking true justice. It is making fun of people who falsely accuse people of racism and virtue signal even when they aren't virtuous. Even this season of the HBO Show True Detective made fun of SJWs when the young woman starts talking about intersectionality and the main character is confused.
It is kind of hard for a liberal Democrat to make the case that pro life Republicans don't have any morals while you support ending the lives of babies to include after they are born.
A lot of black babies are killed via abortion so it doesn't make sense to believe pro life Republicans are out to get black people. There would be more black people in this country if pro life Republicans had their way on the abortion issue.
Politically, it would be in the GOP's best interest to support abortion because most black voters go for Democratic party.
WHile Democrats virtue signal over the Confederate flag, pro life Republicans are literally trying to save the lives of babies which includes black babies.
GOP also supports law abiding black people having the right to own a firearm. This seems like a moral position given the past history of lynchings and violence against blacks. I can promise the Red Shirts and KKK did not want black people to be armed.
The current day GOP is closer in heritage to the old Civil War South than to the original Republican Party.
No distractions or obfuscations can change that fact.
after the war many wanted vengeance from the south...but because the US is about forgiveness we did not jail soldiers or make thing confederate illegal as say Germany did....
The current day GOP is closer in heritage to the old Civil War South than to the original Republican Party.
No distractions or obfuscations can change that fact.
Except you didn't present any facts. Plus you're wrong too often so why give your comment any credibility?
The republicans didn't control the Southern congress until the 1990s. The less racist the south became, the more republican it became. Don't let the truth sway you.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
