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Old 02-17-2019, 11:40 AM
 
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Sure is a rather larger and more urgent, than usual, propaganda push to diminish the stellar Washington Post, lately. In this thread among numerous others. I smell fear of truth emanating from under the tin foil hats.
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Old 02-17-2019, 11:51 AM
 
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Thank you for illustrating that ...

[1] Democrats are not for open borders, that is a Republican hoax, and ...
[2] Democrats always look for a humanitarian solution, and ...
[3] Democrats have always recognized the complexity of illegal immigration and always advocated for more sophisticated and viable approaches than a a simple 'wall'.

Most Republicans wouldn't want to admit these things and ruin their narrative.

If the Democrats aren't currently for open borders then why do they object to the wall today but were all for it in the past? How is it humanitarian to our own citizens not to protect them from illegal entry which ends up costing us billions every year including loss of jobs and depleted resources not to mention the threat of criminals and those from known terrorist countries getting n here? They are more worried about being humane to illegal aliens than our own people. There is no complexity to illegal immigration. Secure our border with good physical barriers along with other methods to deter it and deport those who are here illegally already.
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:00 PM
 
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Was it only Trump?

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/im...border-n152221
July 9, 2014



https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.982b538909aa
July 8, 2014



(The Washington "Democracy Dies in Darkness" Post may ask you to subscribe to get the rest.)

https://www.cnn.com/2014/06/13/us/im...ner/index.html
Updated 5:42 PM ET, Thu June 19, 2014



(Feel free to read the rest of that and how it was because of Obama's actions that the number of unchaperoned kids under the age of 18 starting flooding our border back then.)

https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...-crisis-funds/
Jul 8, 2014




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWFQPumdv6Y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2fr6uqAO1E
(Title - Biden: We need lawyers for border crisis)

And here's Chuck Schumer talking about how the 630 miles of newly constructed border fencing created a "significant barrier to illegal immigration".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8z2L42qedM

Where was the outrage by media, political pundits, and Dem voters back then? It wasn't there like it is today.

The only thing that changed was "Trump got elected and the Dems can't get over it."
No one is disputing there needs to be immigration reform (which McConnell didn't want to address, BTW) and greater border security. Nobody.
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:06 PM
 
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Thank you for illustrating that ...

[1] Democrats are not for open borders, that is a Republican hoax, and ...
[2] Democrats always look for a humanitarian solution, and ...
[3] Democrats have always recognized the complexity of illegal immigration and always advocated for more sophisticated and viable approaches than a a simple 'wall'.

Most Republicans wouldn't want to admit these things and ruin their narrative.
Oh gad...those things are simply too much work for Republicans! Scapegoating and pouring concrete is so much simpler.
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:15 PM
 
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If the Democrats aren't currently for open borders then why do they object to the wall today but were all for it in the past?
Because its the future. Because they are interested in 21st Century solutions. Because their decisions are fact ,research based from professionals and front linesmen. Because Drug Cartels cant be managed with a concrete wall.

A better use of covert ops ,then sending them to Venezuela, would be covert ops into Mexico and Central America to weed out Cartels. Followed by Humanitarian aid to the residents. But that helps people. Not him.
How much ya wanna bet he has his eyes on land grabbing South America...country by county. Then he would own all the cheap labor he wouldnt know what to do with.
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:22 PM
 
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Who Said It Was A Border Crisis?
This guy.

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Old 02-17-2019, 12:24 PM
 
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Well, it's a crisis now. Stephen Miller just went on television to say we need to protect the US military (the 4,000 troops now sitting on the border) from all those invading hoards of women and children.

Build. The. Wall.
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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If you're serious about these issues (as I know you are) then look at it clearly enough to understand rather than repeating rightwing talking points. The Schumer YouTube video was from 2009. And he said exactly what you wrote:

And here's Chuck Schumer talking about how the 630 miles of newly constructed border fencing created a "significant barrier to illegal immigration".

There was no outrage back them for two reasons: (1) That degree of fencing was necessary and (2) The Secure Fence Act of 2006 was promoted as precursor to that comprehensive immigration reform he's also mentioning on the video. It became Democratic policy.

Democrats also supported more fencing as part of the Gang of 8 initiative. 2013. There it's easy enough to find commentary that they did not think that additional fencing was necessary but they were willing to spring for it again as part of the immigration reform package.
We still have illegals coming into this country. If 630 miles of fencing 10 years ago made a dent, just think what an actual border wall can do.
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Sure is a rather larger and more urgent, than usual, propaganda push to diminish the stellar Washington Post, lately. In this thread among numerous others. I smell fear of truth emanating from under the tin foil hats.
I wrote what I wrote about WaPo because in the process of reading and copy/pasting excerpts to include in my thread post, it suddenly directed me to buy a subscription - hence why I stated that you may have to get a subscription to read the rest....cause, you know, "Democracy Dies In Darkness".
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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Well, it's a crisis now. Stephen Miller just went on television to say we need to protect the US military (the 4,000 troops now sitting on the border) from all those invading hoards of women and children.

Build. The. Wall.
Just stop. You go from post to post acting like its only innocent mothers and children representing those trying to come here. Wrong , watch the caravan footage and see all the men. It was even said in mainstream media that women and children do not make up the majority of those trying to come here.

And either way people have to follow the rule of law. We do not have enough space to hold the people coming here to seek asylum. We do not have enough border patrol. New caravans continue to form sending people here by the thousands, its not in our best interest as a country to absorb thousands each month, those who wait at the border trying to seek asylum or those climbing the fence illegally.
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