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Our system of government, despite being bigger and more powerful than the Founders ever intended, and despite the emergency powers act, still doesn't allow for a dictatorship.
Trump could no more become a dictator in America than he could spontaneously become a ham sandwich.
Settle down Clarence.
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Originally Posted by FatBob96
When Trump builds the wall, he should fine everyone who doesn't want it $800.00....
You know...... like Obama did with Obamacare.
Your posts make no sense. And apparently you're incapable of comprehending the parallels Banjomike laid out. You might want to consult a couple of history texts to refresh your memory on how Trump is mirroring history.
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Originally Posted by Bobdreamz
Trump: Now drop the "X"...so who is paying again?
Me ?
Suckers! And now we all pay, at the expense of national defense and emergency response initiatives.
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Originally Posted by moneill
It is clear many of the Trump fans do not understand the full implications of Trump's declaration of emergency.
I don't think they want to. They are content in their ignorance.
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Originally Posted by FatBob96
Just think.....
Democrats could have avoided the whole thing if they had just given him the 5.7 billion he was asking for
Just think ... Trump could act like a mature, responsible leader of this nation and accept the compromise Congress gave him, move forward with it, and continue to convince Congress for another $1.7 billion when he shows responsible stewardship of the money already given to him for his folly.
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Originally Posted by FatBob96
So apparently, the Left is good with abuses of executive powers
You're making a dangerous ASSumption here, but let's just go with the fact that Obama is no longer president, and there's nothing we can do now to change what he did during his administration, other than to preserve the separation of powers moving forward to ensure that these types of abuses don't happen again.
Your posts make no sense. And apparently you're incapable of comprehending the parallels Banjomike laid out. You might want to consult a couple of history texts to refresh your memory on how Trump is mirroring history.
Suckers! And now we all pay, at the expense of national defense and emergency response initiatives.
I don't think they want to. They are content in their ignorance.
Just think ... Trump could act like a mature, responsible leader of this nation and accept the compromise Congress gave him, move forward with it, and continue to convince Congress for another $1.7 billion when he shows responsible stewardship of the money already given to him for his folly.
You're making a dangerous ASSumption here, but let's just go with the fact that Obama is no longer president, and there's nothing we can do now to change what he did during his administration, other than to preserve the separation of powers moving forward to ensure that these types of abuses don't happen again.
The difference being is that President Obama was a Constitutional law professor and knew exactly the parameters and extent of his Executive powers.
Trump is clueless on the subject.
Democrats could have avoided the whole thing if they had just given him the 5.7 billion he was asking for.....
ONE TENTH OF ONE PERCENT of the total budget
But NOOOOOOOOO.... they had to deny Trump any appearance of a victory on the wall issue out of spite.
And it's not like he didn't give them plenty of notice that he would do this if necessary.....
It really begs the question........
Why are Democrats willing to go to such extreme great lengths to do NOTHING about Illegal immigration?
You're partially correct - this whole thing is not about the money. As you said, $6 billion is pretty insignificant in relation to the entire budget.
It also has nothing to do with a wall or border security. If Trump really cared about illegal immigration, he would want to use more effective measures like mandatory e-verify and enhanced surveillance technology.
The whole dispute is about power. For two years Trump could do as he wished. Then Democrats got a little bit of power and said, "whoa, you can't just do whatever you want". And Trump is saying "Oh yes I can!". Both sides are just trying to look tough to impress their base.
But writing an executive order about DACA to do an end run around the Constitution by bypassing Congress to single handedly write immigration law certainly did.
"If congress won't act, I've got a pen and I've got a phone - and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward.". ~ Barack Obama
So apparently, the Left is good with abuses of executive powers......
As long as it's your guy doing it.......
pull-EEZ!
That executive order along with all others Obama wrote, raised no serious constitutional questions. Pubs whimpered and whined just for political posturing.
What we have now with tRump's so-called "emergency" is grounds for MANY lawsuits and will be strongly contested in court.
Barack Obama declared 13 national emergencies, with many of them focused on international affairs and containing foreign conflicts, the outlet reported.
For example, in 2012, Obama declared a national emergency entitled, "Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen" in order to freeze the assets of anyone perceived to be negatively impacting a political transition in Yemen, VOA reported. In 2014, the 44th president issued a national emergency referred to as "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine," which similarly locked the assets of those thought to be undermining democratic processes in Ukraine. These are just two of many internationally oriented states of emergency that Obama declared while in office.
Democrats could have avoided the whole thing if they had just given him the 5.7 billion he was asking for.....
Dude, maybe you forgot. There was an agreement in place where both houses of Congress had signed an to give Trump 45.7 Billion. All Trump had to do with sign the bill. He even said he would sign it. Then co-presidents Hannity, Coulter and Limbaugh put there $.10 in and the deal was off the table. Trump effed this one up, not surprisingly.
Trump supporters are very forgetful.
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