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Old 02-18-2019, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Barack Obama declared 13 national emergencies, with many of them focused on international affairs and containing foreign conflicts, the outlet reported.

For example, in 2012, Obama declared a national emergency entitled, "Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen" in order to freeze the assets of anyone perceived to be negatively impacting a political transition in Yemen, VOA reported. In 2014, the 44th president issued a national emergency referred to as "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine," which similarly locked the assets of those thought to be undermining democratic processes in Ukraine. These are just two of many internationally oriented states of emergency that Obama declared while in office.

https://www.bustle.com/p/did-obama-e...-wall-15722252
Yes, and?

Was Yemen a manufactured crisis? Did Congress negotiate a deal and budget with appropriations that Obama had signed? Did Obama attempt to get money for a vanity project that Congress did not agree upon? No. Trump is doing an end-run around Congress.

And if a president takes whatever money he wants for whatever he wants that Congress does not appropriate, that pretty much negates any need for Congress. Trump is trying to expand executive powers while eliminating the EQUAL power of the legislative branch.

Trying to defend Trump on this is not really possible. It is a dictator move.

The Obama thing just reinforces how the emergencies were meant to be used. Not for a crisis of the president's making.

Read what the other national emergencies were for--usually related to human rights. or terrorism.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-man...by-presidents/
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Old 02-18-2019, 04:37 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Where did I say it was? He's trying to get more power through this "national emergency." This year it's an "emergency" at the border. Next year who knows what the emergency is? And when Democrats regain the presidency, maybe they use this asinine reasoning for gun control or health insurance for all
Let's talk about this year. We can guess what the future may or may not hold at some other time.

The emergency has existed for years. That's how we got 11 million undocumented people in the country. This is not a "sudden" emergency. When Bush was president, libs yelled about it, when Obama was president conservatives wrung their hands. But NO PRESIDENT acted on the requirement under article II that the president must cause all laws to be enforced.
Congress cannot enforce laws. They make law, but only the president is charged with executive responsibility.
President Trump said we will have immigration reform. And now we will. The invasion of America by unknown people is coming to an end.
The president already has the power to do what he is doing. In fact, I believe he does not have the power to NOT do what he is doing. He MUST do it.
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Old 02-18-2019, 04:40 PM
 
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Barack Obama declared 13 national emergencies, with many of them focused on international affairs and containing foreign conflicts, the outlet reported.

For example, in 2012, Obama declared a national emergency entitled, "Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen" in order to freeze the assets of anyone perceived to be negatively impacting a political transition in Yemen, VOA reported. In 2014, the 44th president issued a national emergency referred to as "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine," which similarly locked the assets of those thought to be undermining democratic processes in Ukraine. These are just two of many internationally oriented states of emergency that Obama declared while in office.
Were any of them made in direct opposition to Congress, in a fit of vanity, pique, and self-aggrandizement? I don't think so.
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Old 02-18-2019, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Did any of Obama's emergency declarations involve an attempt to take spending decisions away from Congress?
That would be unconstitutional. So no he did not.

Trump trying his to best to be the Dictator in Chief.

Amazing how the GOP likes the Dictator in Chief.
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Old 02-18-2019, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Just think.....

Democrats could have avoided the whole thing if they had just given him the 5.7 billion he was asking for.....

ONE TENTH OF ONE PERCENT of the total budget

But NOOOOOOOOO.... they had to deny Trump any appearance of a victory on the wall issue out of spite.

And it's not like he didn't give them plenty of notice that he would do this if necessary.....


It really begs the question........

Why are Democrats willing to go to such extreme great lengths to do NOTHING about Illegal immigration?

Fatbob, we have tried to explain this to you numerous times, and it doesn't seem to sink in, so why should we try again ? Just let me say, we DO care about border security, but we simply differ on how much of a crisis it is, and the best way to move forward. Trump's stupid plan is about as juvenile as everything else that comes out of his pea brain.


But you have never considered this before, so why even try to get it into your head ?
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Pull-EEZ......


The Constitutional issue with Obama's executive order on DACA was that the President IS NOT CONSTITUTIONALLY AUTHORIZED TO SINGLE HANDEDLY WRITE IMMIGRATION LAW.
Please explain why the GOP congress didn't contest it, then.

Just maybe because Obama was a high caliber lawyer with plenty of high caliber legal advisors who he'd listen to.

Meanwhile, tRump listens to no one except Putin and is represented by Rudy.

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And I'm sure that Trump's emergency declaration will be "strongly contested in court"........

Eventually it will make it to the Supreme Court......


And when that happens, you should prepare for ....

https://www.bing.com/images/search?v...=4&eim=2,3,4,6
tRump will be slapped down in court.

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Old 02-18-2019, 07:51 PM
 
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LIar Obama manufactured lots of things including national emergencies.
NOBODY LIES LIKE TRUMP. He’s a chronic liar and nobody should believe a word this narcissist says. It’s all about him. Always all about him.
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Pull-EEZ......


The Constitutional issue with Obama's executive order on DACA was that the President IS NOT CONSTITUTIONALLY AUTHORIZED TO SINGLE HANDEDLY WRITE IMMIGRATION LAW.


And I'm sure that Trump's emergency declaration will be "strongly contested in court"........

Eventually it will make it to the Supreme Court......


And when that happens, you should prepare for ....

https://www.bing.com/images/search?v...=4&eim=2,3,4,6
They could have challenged DACA in the courts if they chose to do so.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Fatbob, we have tried to explain this to you numerous times, and it doesn't seem to sink in, so why should we try again ? Just let me say, we DO care about border security, but we simply differ on how much of a crisis it is, and the best way to move forward. Trump's stupid plan is about as juvenile as everything else that comes out of his pea brain.


But you have never considered this before, so why even try to get it into your head ?



So why do Democrats oppose anything that is aimed at combating Illegal immigration?


You say that you support border security......


But when it comes down to brass tacks, Democrats can always be counted on to take the side of the Illegal immigants.

Opposing ICE

Opposing the Wall.

Supporting Sanctuary cities.

Opposing Voter ID.

Making excuses for Illegal immigrants......"they just want a better life.... they're just doing the jobs Americans won't do"

Supporting DACA

Supporting Amnesty.

Opposing Profiling

Opposing tighter restrictions on Asylum claims.

Supporting Anchor babys and wet foot/dry foot laws.

Using the term "Undocumented"as opposed to Illegal.

Purposely and habitually conflating legal and Illegal immigration/immigants.

Some Democrats, such as Beto O'Rourke advocating tearing down existing physical barriers.

Every stance that Democrats take on the subject flies in the face of your claim that Democrats support border security.

Every stance they take supports Illegal immigrants over American citizens..
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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They could have challenged DACA in the courts if they chose to do so.




Just because it wasn't challenged doesn't mean that it wasn't unconstitutional........


All that demonstrates is that despite how much Republicans opposed Obama, they weren't deranged with anywhere near the level of TDS like, irrational freak out syndrome over him the way Democrats are over Trump.
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