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Old 03-09-2019, 06:49 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Obama wasn't well-spoken...he was good at reading teleprompters. When he was off the teleprompters he stuttered and babbled like an idiot! CLEAN? ...As in fresh from the bathhouse?
I'm still waiting for that 3,000% reduction in health insurance premiums Obama promised.

 
Old 03-09-2019, 06:52 AM
 
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I'm still waiting for that 3,000% reduction in health insurance premiums Obama promised.
Technically he did reduce health care premiums for working folk....they lost their insurance therefore no premium!
 
Old 03-09-2019, 06:55 AM
 
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Technically he did reduce health care premiums for working folk....they lost their insurance therefore no premium!
That's still not a 3,000% reduction in the cost of health insurance premiums. Do the math...
 
Old 03-09-2019, 07:04 AM
 
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Our conservative colleagues demonstrate rightwing belligerence and ignorance right before our eyes.
 
Old 03-09-2019, 07:19 AM
 
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In our lifetimes, this country has been the richest on earth. Many of our allies rely on the United States as the leader of the free world and a check to non democratic nations like China and Russia. In 2001, along comes George W. Bush, and after September 11th forced an imprint of terrorism on everyones conscience, our response was the worst possible: Use that catastrophe to attack and occupy a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11. It laid bare the grotesque expediency of using the deaths of 3000 innocent Americans to justify a war on an innocent nation.

Now fast forward to Donald Trump. After 8 years of admirable work of cleaning up Republican messes (wars and recessions, namely, but also helping to restore our standing in the world) Trump is selected President and immediately goes about insulting and humiliating our friends in the world, all while cozying up to dictators.

Yet this man, who recently raised the profile in North Korea of a despot, made him a legend to his people and tried to normalize him on the world stage, was played for the fool he is and North Korea has resumed doing what thinking people knew they would: building their nuclear arsenal.

Trump has also shown deference to Vladimir Putin, a thug who murders those who disagree with him. And Trump has started a trade war with our largest trading partner and geopolitical foe on earth, one that China is likely in far better shape to win than we are.

I read recently about the sorry state of the USS Fitzgerald, which was rammed unaware by a cargo ship, and months later another destroyer, the USS McCain, was also rammed. Both ships suffered from a lack of training, qualified personnel, and most importantly, the time and money to repair radars and other electronics that are the brains of these warships.

Now when our Navy is in China's backyard, and China has decided they have finally had enough and take out all of our satellites, and the 7th Fleet is left in the dark, what will the pathological liar in the White House say then?

Bush was awful, but he listened to his handlers. Trump is twice as ignorant and doesn't listen to anyone but Fox and Friends. We might very well see the end of empire, right here, right now, and if you like America losing its place in the world, Trump is your guy.
Thanks for the well thought out and well written summary of the situation. Can't really disagree with what you said here, but I disagree with your conclusion.

The reality is that America has ALREADY lost her standing in the world as the torch-bearer of democracy and freedom, a status we held for many decades after WWII. This didn't happen overnight, it began with the emergence of the neo-fascists in the 70's and 80's, and accelerated with the Iraq debacle under Bush that you mention .Trump is simply the final expression of that movement.

The only thing we have left of the post WWII era is our vast military presence, our "guns" if you will. But without a nation that is joined in a common love of freedom and justice, it will be meaningless. China is slowly but inexorably outdistancing us on the military front. It is only a matter of time.

Want to make America "great again"? Dump Trump and choose a leader that understands the basic principles and beliefs that brought us together as a nation in the first place, and that held us together through two world wars last century.

But even then, it will be decades before we recover. My prediction is that our day in the sun is over. Step aside for the new boss - better brush up on your Kanji.
 
Old 03-09-2019, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Texas
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In our lifetimes, this country has been the richest on earth. Many of our allies rely on the United States as the leader of the free world and a check to non democratic nations like China and Russia. In 2001, along comes George W. Bush, and after September 11th forced an imprint of terrorism on everyones conscience, our response was the worst possible: Use that catastrophe to attack and occupy a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11. It laid bare the grotesque expediency of using the deaths of 3000 innocent Americans to justify a war on an innocent nation.

Now fast forward to Donald Trump. After 8 years of admirable work of cleaning up Republican messes (wars and recessions, namely, but also helping to restore our standing in the world) Trump is selected President and immediately goes about insulting and humiliating our friends in the world, all while cozying up to dictators.

Yet this man, who recently raised the profile in North Korea of a despot, made him a legend to his people and tried to normalize him on the world stage, was played for the fool he is and North Korea has resumed doing what thinking people knew they would: building their nuclear arsenal.

Trump has also shown deference to Vladimir Putin, a thug who murders those who disagree with him. And Trump has started a trade war with our largest trading partner and geopolitical foe on earth, one that China is likely in far better shape to win than we are.

I read recently about the sorry state of the USS Fitzgerald, which was rammed unaware by a cargo ship, and months later another destroyer, the USS McCain, was also rammed. Both ships suffered from a lack of training, qualified personnel, and most importantly, the time and money to repair radars and other electronics that are the brains of these warships.

Now when our Navy is in China's backyard, and China has decided they have finally had enough and take out all of our satellites, and the 7th Fleet is left in the dark, what will the pathological liar in the White House say then?

Bush was awful, but he listened to his handlers. Trump is twice as ignorant and doesn't listen to anyone but Fox and Friends. We might very well see the end of empire, right here, right now, and if you like America losing its place in the world, Trump is your guy.
lol Since when is escalating in the Middle East equate to cleaning up wars. Since when is the sky high welfare a recovery?

Go back and tell YOUR handlers you failed your mission.
 
Old 03-09-2019, 02:01 PM
 
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But he was timid. Plus the world apology tour, bowing to kings. The only thing Obama was good at was being well spoken and clean.
Obama’s own Handlers proudly labeled the Obama Doctrine as “Lead From Behind”.
It didn’t turn out well for either the USA or the rest of the World.
 
Old 03-09-2019, 02:01 PM
 
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In our lifetimes, this country has been the richest on earth. Many of our allies rely on the United States as the leader of the free world and a check to non democratic nations like China and Russia. In 2001, along comes George W. Bush, and after September 11th forced an imprint of terrorism on everyones conscience, our response was the worst possible: Use that catastrophe to attack and occupy a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11. It laid bare the grotesque expediency of using the deaths of 3000 innocent Americans to justify a war on an innocent nation.

Now fast forward to Donald Trump. After 8 years of admirable work of cleaning up Republican messes (wars and recessions, namely, but also helping to restore our standing in the world) Trump is selected President and immediately goes about insulting and humiliating our friends in the world, all while cozying up to dictators.

Yet this man, who recently raised the profile in North Korea of a despot, made him a legend to his people and tried to normalize him on the world stage, was played for the fool he is and North Korea has resumed doing what thinking people knew they would: building their nuclear arsenal.

Trump has also shown deference to Vladimir Putin, a thug who murders those who disagree with him. And Trump has started a trade war with our largest trading partner and geopolitical foe on earth, one that China is likely in far better shape to win than we are.

I read recently about the sorry state of the USS Fitzgerald, which was rammed unaware by a cargo ship, and months later another destroyer, the USS McCain, was also rammed. Both ships suffered from a lack of training, qualified personnel, and most importantly, the time and money to repair radars and other electronics that are the brains of these warships.

Now when our Navy is in China's backyard, and China has decided they have finally had enough and take out all of our satellites, and the 7th Fleet is left in the dark, what will the pathological liar in the White House say then?

Bush was awful, but he listened to his handlers. Trump is twice as ignorant and doesn't listen to anyone but Fox and Friends. We might very well see the end of empire, right here, right now, and if you like America losing its place in the world, Trump is your guy.
The second paragraph is priceless. Eight years of a circus clown over his head from day one and remained so till the end. Ya.....he was just a real peach.
 
Old 03-09-2019, 02:15 PM
 
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The shabby conditions the military was left in was from the Obama admin.
Yes he did. Obama gambled and lost when he and Jack Lew came up with the Sequester.
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How exactly did he do this?

https://www.cnbc.com/id/100491803
 
Old 03-09-2019, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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The second paragraph is priceless. Eight years of a circus clown over his head from day one and remained so till the end. Ya.....he was just a real peach.

The great irony is you think Trump is a qualified President. I bet you even believe he's honest.
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