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Old 04-01-2019, 01:12 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
What did trump say that isnt true or is innacurate?

Would you like to be dependent on a dialysis machine thats powered by wind or solar?
Except LITERALLY nobody that has a kindergartener's understanding of this topic would suggest that you only bank on one, or even two, renewable energy sources.

Trump is arguing against a phantom person making an argument no one is making.

 
Old 04-01-2019, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Originally Posted by HockeyMac18 View Post
Except LITERALLY nobody that has a kindergartener's understanding of this topic would suggest that you only bank on one, or even two, renewable energy sources.

Trump is arguing against a phantom person making an argument no one is making.
And yet


https://environmentamerica.org/sites...renewable.html

https://www.greentechmedia.com/artic...2018#gs.3cxrwo

Go 100% Renewable Energy : Welcome



only a few
 
Old 04-01-2019, 05:17 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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What happens when Saudi Arabia and Iran cut us off and gas goes to $25/gallon?
No one uses gasoline to make electricity....
 
Old 04-01-2019, 05:21 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Chicano3000X View Post
Ummmm............................ he is right.

Wind turbines are placed in locations that have shown high wind patterns. However, the turbines are not moving at all when there is no wind. Back up systems (what are they powered by?) take care of lulls in the wind.

This is an actual problem with wind energy. Tell me again why the left is ridiculing Trump for this?

Has the left embraced AOC to the point where idiocy is the coin of the realm?
 
Old 04-01-2019, 05:25 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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At some point in time we are going to run out of fossil fuels it could be 50, 75, or more, but at some point we need to find another source of fuel.


Actually, what we need is less people.

But no one wants to pontificate on the nuts and bolts of how that might have to play out in making it a reality.

Hopes of a Star Trek society aren't going to cut it.
 
Old 04-01-2019, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by Elliott_CA View Post
At this very moment as I type this in California:

21,070 MW Current demand

9,571 MW Solar serving load
1,956 MW Wind serving load

64% of load met with wind and solar. That's not "supplemental" power. Right now fossil fuel is supplementing the renewables and it's working great.
And when the sun goes down, and the wind is calm, then what? It's supplemental power because it is not baseload power. You cannot demand the wind blow, and the sun shine, to meet either planned or unplanned demands for electrical power.

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Fossil fuel baseload never has mechanical breakdowns? Of course they do.
This is the same for any type of power, even hydro-electric power needs to schedule outages for routine maintenance. To cite mechanical breakdowns and maintenance as a way to be critical of fossil fuels, just shows how weak your arguments are.

What's your next criticism for fossil fuel power, citing the possibility of a meteor hitting a power plant?

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Despite the high usage of solar and wind we rarely ever have power outages, and when we do, it's because a storm knocked a tree into an overhead line.

Solar and wind are reliable, dependable, and sustainable. Granted it makes the job of managing the mix of generation a lot more difficult, but it can be done. California proves it every day.
Thanks, perfect example. A tree knocking out a power line is exactly the thing that wind and solar cannot be relied upon to accommodate.

If a 60kv line gets knocked out, we can have baseload fossil fuel, nuclear and maybe even hydro power plants ramp up their power output to make up for the loss. We cannot demand the sun shine more, and the wind blow more, for the days or weeks it might take to repair the damage.
 
Old 04-01-2019, 09:32 AM
 
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100% renewable means using all renewable technologies together, not banking on one or two.

This is exactly the point I was making.

 
Old 04-01-2019, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by FatBob96 View Post
Actually, what we need is less people.

But no one wants to pontificate on the nuts and bolts of how that might have to play out in making it a reality.

Hopes of a Star Trek society aren't going to cut it.
Star Trek, yeah, always thought that was hilarious, as if in the future the lazy scammers and leaches will suddenly no longer wish to leach off of society, and actually be productive.
 
Old 04-01-2019, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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The U.S. is now the largest producer of oil in the world, and a NET exporter of energy. We are finding more all the time. It is so abundant it should be considered like a renewable. We don't need anyone else's fossil fuel, we have all we need for centuries right here.
 
Old 04-01-2019, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by HockeyMac18 View Post


100% renewable means using all renewable technologies together, not banking on one or two.

This is exactly the point I was making.

They are still only supplemental power. When we cannot control what drives wind and solar, then we do not control them, cannot demand they provide power on a given day, at a given hour, for a given length of time. What they do allow us to do, is scale back the amount of baseload power generation, while these renewable sources provide power.
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