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Old 04-20-2019, 06:07 AM
 
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If I played the conservative game I would start misdirecting by pointing out all the 10 of thousands/millions of people killed by other various governments for far lesser reasons because obviously if and earlier administrations did it first, it must be OK.

 
Old 04-20-2019, 06:13 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Reno and the Clintons. They sure did love to use force.. Ruby Ridge. Just a slight case of entrapment gone wrong. LOL

Waco? No need for patience. Storm the compound. Tear gas the people. Including the babies. They weren't going anywhere.. Reno and her ATF and FBI. How does anyone justify tear gassing babies?
Bush I was President during 1992, when Ruby Ridge happened. I think it is necessary to enforce the law, even when it involves whites. Apparently you disagree.
 
Old 04-20-2019, 06:17 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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The rights of the individual are more important than the rights of the community.
We don't totally agree.
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The purpose of the warrant was to look for the weapons in the compound and arrest Koresh and others. But that’s irrelevant to the fact that you don’t start shooting an official performing their duty executing a legal search warrant.
Some people can't see the obvious.

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Old 04-20-2019, 06:47 AM
 
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That's bull and you know it. Koresh began the shooting, and set the fires trapping the innocent children who burned to death.
I read that the RENO bunch started the fires. So see? What are we to believe?

IMO DK was likely involved in some things that were not so upstanding and also likely knew too much.

If anyone believes that the Clinton admin did anything they did for compassionate reasons then there is nothing that will wake them up.
 
Old 04-20-2019, 09:15 AM
 
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Every July 4th, we all celebrate and honor the people who 'resorted to violence' in order to overthrow a sitting govt (England)!!!
So what's your point? You believe it's OK to murder government authorities if YOU believe their purpose is unjust?
 
Old 04-20-2019, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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So what's your point? You believe it's OK to murder government authorities if YOU believe their purpose is unjust?
You don't have a right to self-defense?

The State owns your body?
 
Old 04-20-2019, 09:31 AM
 
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You don't have a right to self-defense?

The State owns your body?
Define self-defense. if a cop pulls me over because I'm speeding, do I have the right to start shooting him?
 
Old 04-20-2019, 09:59 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Does anyone remember what the Philly police did in 1985? They firebombed an entire neighborhood burning like 65 homes and killing some dozen people. They justified this because they were after a Black radical group who were also a clear and present danger like the Davidians. They were loud and wore dreadlocks and also committed the unpardonable crime of being different and exercising their Constitutional right to be thus.
They were exercising their Constitutional right to store massive amounts of gasoline on the roof or in the buildings?
 
Old 04-20-2019, 10:03 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Every July 4th, we all celebrate and honor the people who 'resorted to violence' in order to overthrow a sitting govt (England)!!!
The Revolutionary War was triggered by the denial of the rights of Englishmen. The right to turn a house full of people into a booby-trapped land mine isn't one of those rights. Also, the English had the right to, and did, fight the Revolution. They lost.
 
Old 04-20-2019, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Define self-defense. if a cop pulls me over because I'm speeding, do I have the right to start shooting him?
Are you pulling over because you want to or another reason?
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