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The murder rate is sharply down in most Central American countries and poverty is also sharply down in the last 10-15 years. Life expectancy is up, education levels are way up, access to basic amenities like running water, electricity and indoor plumbing has also skyrocketed.
I think you have a dated view of what goes on there.
I don't agree. You're probably too young, but do you remember paraquat? The military started spraying it everywhere, including foreign countries, trying to eradicate marijuana. Regardless, multi-ton busts, which was only a small fraction of the total getting through, ruled the day back in the 70's.
In other words, they were targeting the source. Regardless, their efforts were quite unsuccessful, just as they are today, because it is the wrong way to fight the problem.
We're in the same boat because both of us detests that wasteful, deadly, money-pit known as The War On Drugs, but it seems our reasons why we believe it's a wasteful, deadly, money-pit seems to be quite different.
I remember paraquat. One of the more idiot ideas the government has come up with.
Many people mock the state of emergency, but the fact is drugs and illegal immigrants are responsible for far more deaths in the US every year than Islamic terrorists. Drugs kill more people in America yearly than terrorists in Israel yet Israel has a massive wall on all its borders, something the left opposes for the US.
Given the threat that MS 13 and the cartels pose, I personally would be in favor of flying drones over Mexico and Central America and directing targeting them. This would also stop the justification of the illegal aliens who claim the cartels are too powerful and claim to be trying to escape them. We can attack the cartels without putting American lives in danger.
No. How about we do something about the people who are actually doing the drugs? That is the root of the problem. Until we address that part of the problem, killing all the drug cartels won't matter, because new ones will pop up in their place. Maybe we should treat severe drug and alcohol addicts like we would with someone who has tried suicide, because they are basically killing themselves, just long term.
Lack of policing and education, political unrest, hunger. Many countries leaders are corrupt - then the people suffer. Nobody makes leaders behave. We try, and we still have a lot of issues. People leave the states too, we just have more money. Look at the world - migration everywhere causing the rest to have to deal with the excess of people. And due to what 20 stupid men at most causing all this chaos! Look at Cuba n Venezuela 🤷🏽*♀️And ? We do nothing about the dumb jerks - follow the money - the root of corruption.
No. How about we do something about the people who are actually doing the drugs? That is the root of the problem. Until we address that part of the problem, killing all the drug cartels won't matter, because new ones will pop up in their place. Maybe we should treat severe drug and alcohol addicts like we would with someone who has tried suicide, because they are basically killing themselves, just long term.
What right do you have to prevent someone, with the force of government, from committing suicide? Who owns that person anyway that they should be able to make such a proclamation? How is a person choosing to do drugs any different?
When people speak about other humans as you have here, insinuating that you somehow have an authority over their choice about what they do with their own body, you take the position of a statist. One who proclaims others exist to be your slave.
No. How about we do something about the people who are actually doing the drugs?
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Originally Posted by KS_Referee
What right do you have to prevent someone, with the force of government, from committing suicide? Who owns that person anyway that they should be able to make such a proclamation? How is a person choosing to do drugs any different?
When people speak about other humans as you have here, insinuating that you somehow have an authority over their choice about what they do with their own body, you take the position of a statist. One who proclaims others exist to be your slave.
Your response makes an assumption that may not be the case.
He's right. The only way to win The War is to stop the demand. That falls under the category of "doing something about the people who are actually doing the drugs". Doing that the right way, however, takes generations.
If what he means instead is to crank-up The War On People, by feeding even more of them into the criminal justice system, then I'm with you and disagree completely. That course of action would only serve to make things worse, just like it always has for the last 50 years.
in modern time tom Dewey as new York prosecutor made a deal with the Mafia through the OSS that they would let meyer lansky out of prison and not pursue much mafia stuff during ww2 if the worked security on the docks after the Normandy was blown up..the mafia actually put coat of arms family flags on the allied troops vehicles in Italy.
This partnership continued in cuba with drugs, prostitution, and gambling..having been given this promise they did not take kindly to RFKs mob focus..(CIA asked for mafia infiltration of teamsters as well)these people also were involved in indo-china with drugs and guns BEFORE the 1949 fall of mainland china..kept right on through Vietnam and as well as central American/Iran-contra drugs for guns deals in the 1980s...
in other words a major amount of black money is tied up with our foreign policy makers/doers...when we need an operative to do something underhanded in another country such as poison a food supply our intelligence people cannot really get help from the local boy-scouts....
Before we bomb away at the drug cartels..should a warning be given to today's Oliver north or would his/her death be an acceptable collateral damage?
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