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False. It wasn't the hope or idea of the baby. It was a baby. Otherwise there wouldn't have been a miscarriage because there would be nothing to miscarry. You don't miscarry "hope."
Know any babies that are 100% independent at birth? Don't need anyone to care for them, feed them, clothe them, etc.?
Me neither.
I believe you are intentionally confusing the word independence post birth with parasitic survival on the mother's body, just as you are conflating clumps of fertilized cells with a baby.
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This is pushback from the extreme position of the left, pushing abortion right up until the moment of birth. If they had not begun pushing such extreme measures, the pro-life movement would not have pushed back so strongly.
A simple compromise would be to allow abortion in the first trimester, as the SCOTUS has ruled is constitutional, and outlawing it thereafter, providing easy OTC access to the morning after pill. If people cannot afford birth control and condoms, then they need to take a look at where their money is going.
Such rational thinking doesn't penetrate the brains of those who scream murder at any discussion of abortion or even your own cynical justification for the new bans because of something that rarely happens (and Democrats- of course).
The government should be ruled by practical considerations and given that self abortions happen even in countries where it is banned overturning RoeVWade would just be bad for the country. Forcing pregnancy on women (not men) who are neither financially nor emotionally ready to provide care just burdens the already overloaded and overspent budgets for social services. Children in foster care and one parent households are more prone to mental and physical abuse and ending up in another taxpayer supported institution - Prison.
How Banning Abortion in the Early Weeks of Pregnancy Suddenly Became Mainstream
By Sabrina Tavernise
The reversal is evidence of a fundamental shift in the landscape of abortion in America. The math on the Supreme Court has changed ... states are rushing to make changes. Newly confident red states are passing some of the strictest prohibitions the country has ever seen.
In their sights is overturning Roe v. Wade ... And many in the movement believe that the so-called heartbeat bill — a ban on abortion as early as six weeks of pregnancy, often before a woman even knows she is pregnant — is the way to do it. The bill flies in the face of decades of Supreme Court decisions, like a dare to the American legal system.
The people who want abortion banned might as well declare war on recreational sex.
If the Supreme Court decides to get the feds out of the abortion question by overturning Roe v Wade, then people who feel it's wrong to ban all abortion are going to have to rise up in their states and fight for the right to abortion. Refusing to consider why Ireland repealed its ban on all abortions will only lead to moral disaster. This is because those who want all abortion banned absolutely will not give a damn what can happen to women, who get illegal abortions. They will be cold enough to feel such women deserve as much as death.
might as well declare war on recreational sex."
If people CHOOSE to engage in recreation sex they should accept the possible CONSEQUENCES of doing so.
You stick your hand in a fire, you MIGHT get burnt.
Heaven FORBID we make people take RESPONSIBILITY for their actions!
I lean towards being Pro Life but there are times when an abortion is necessary and the Government needs to stay out of it.
What really bugs me is how we have so many of our elected taking a stand against abortion but if they were to get an intern pregnant they would be driving her down to the clinic so fast.
Women need to retain the right to get an abortion and the Gov. needs to stay out of it. On the flip side we don't need to have these groups of "progressives" shouting at us about how proud they are that they had an abortion.
They are awakening a sleeping problem by doing so.
I agree. Abortion should be legal but the whole idea of being part of actually having an abortion makes me very uncomfortable. But to make it illegal does not end abortions it just drives it underground. So the pro life argument of saving babies really won't save babies.
What it comes down to is people who don't want kids need to use proper birth control or abstain if you want to go that route. Too many people show poor judgement and a lack of responsibility.
This is a reaction to the left wing nut jobs who want to allow abortions even as the babies head is crowning. At 10 weeks the embryo becomes a fetus. The fetus is viable outside the womb at about 20 weeks. So what should be the limit to having an abortion? Conception? Heart beat (28 days)? Until it is a fetus? Until it is viable? How can anyone say after the fetus is viable? The Georgia law is 6 weeks, the Alabama law is conception. Can there be any compromise? Who would go along with 10 weeks? That is plenty of time to know you are pregnant.
I agree. Abortion should be legal but the whole idea of being part of actually having an abortion makes me very uncomfortable. But to make it illegal does not end abortions it just drives it underground. So the pro life argument of saving babies really won't save babies.
What it comes down to is people who don't want kids need to use proper birth control or abstain if you want to go that route. Too many people show poor judgement and a lack of responsibility.
Making anything illegal doesn't stop any activity. People still steal, murder, assault, beat their kids, etc. But it limits it.
Saying women will get them anyway? Is besides the point.
This is a reaction to the left wing nut jobs who want to allow abortions even as the babies head is crowning. At 10 weeks the embryo becomes a fetus. The fetus is viable outside the womb at about 20 weeks. So what should be the limit to having an abortion? Conception? Heart beat (28 days)? Until it is a fetus? Until it is viable? How can anyone say after the fetus is viable? The Georgia law is 6 weeks, the Alabama law is conception. Can there be any compromise? Who would go along with 10 weeks? That is plenty of time to know you are pregnant.
That's a lie. There is and never has been any such thing as an abortion on the delivery table.
I think back to all the folks who told me how paranoid I was in the 2016 election for being a 'single issue voter' and worrying about Roe v Wade.
The Republican war on women continues and yes, they do want to take us back to the dark ages. Thank God I have had my kids and will never have to worry about it.
So all of you "libertarian" and "moderate" Trump voters who chose Trump because you find Hillary "unlikable" and because he "tells it like it is", whatever the f that means.....you think this was a good move now? Emboldening the most reactionary forces in our nation to take action. Brilliant move, dummies.
If abortion is outlawed in the U.S. then laws should be passed making it a felony crime for men to abandon any child they father. They should be legally required to raise the baby (unless they're a rapist, obviously), with no help or assistance.
If men are held legally accountable for raising their offspring it will spread the responsibility and cost, as it should. Men who don't want that burden may find themselves suddenly interested in a vasectomy or may find abstinence a bit more palatable. Men should be legally restricted as much as any woman in matters of procreation.
That's the way to approach this issue (IMO).
That would not help anything. Family court is a **** show as it is.
There are adoption options and there is government assistance with both medical costs, housing, food, etc. for poor women. Trying to make un-involved fathers be loving responsible fathers cant be legislated anymore than making women be loving responsible mothers.
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