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Old 05-16-2019, 02:31 PM
 
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Overturning Roe v Wade wouldn’t ban abortion nationwide. It’d just give control to the states. Women with options can vote with their feet and leave states like Alabama, Georgia, Ohio etc for more rational places. Abortion tourism will become the answer for those who are tied to a state that bans abortion and have the financial means to travel.

Women without options to will return to back alley butchers instead of being forced to have a child.

Exactly. If you look at it this way, Roe v wade forces states to allow abortion even when an overwhelming majority of its citizens are not in favor.



So, kick it back to the states.


Its the beauty of the USA model. You don't like it, move to a state that suits your lifestyle. Much better than forcing any one worldview on the rest of us.
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Old 05-16-2019, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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Exactly. If you look at it this way, Roe v wade forces states to allow abortion even when an overwhelming majority of its citizens are not in favor.



So, kick it back to the states.


Its the beauty of the USA model. You don't like it, move to a state that suits your lifestyle. Much better than forcing any one worldview on the rest of us.
I think you'd be hard pressed to find any state that there was a majority, never mind an overwhelming majority, that favored banning abortion outright.
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Old 05-16-2019, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Until red states pass laws to arrest and imprison women who leave for abortions upon re-entering the state. This has been talked about.

I think we are going to have to accept fundamentalist Christian theocratic rule in this country, at least in certain regions.
Over the years, Oklahoma voters overcame very strong fundamentalist Christian opposition to new state laws that legalized casinos, lotteries, parimutuel horse racing, loosened alcohol laws, and most recently for medical marijuana. The legislature legalized tattoo application. Oklahomans won't go for laws that ban abortion so much that it can't be regulated. After all, Oklahoma Baptist and Catholic leaders came out in opposition to SB13, since it would not allow for any regulations on abortion, whatsoever.
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Old 05-16-2019, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Not under the law.
yes under the law of nature and science






just because the fascist liberals are against nature and science doesn't make it correct
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Old 05-16-2019, 02:42 PM
 
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Why not overturn Roe and let the states decide this. Why is it so important to liberals in New York if Alabama bans abortion? This should be a state issue, not one forced on states by the federal courts.
It should be noted, other states can then make late term abortions legal.
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Old 05-16-2019, 02:42 PM
 
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Thank you for your rational answer based on how you view the facts. See people, we can disagree and argue the constitutionality of such measures based on facts.

That said, I do disagree and believe it should be an issue, like many others that is left to the individual states to decide.
The problem with allowing the states to decide, then abortions will only be available for those who can afford to travel. Many poor women will go back to the back alley abortion because they don't have the means to travel elsewhere.
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Old 05-16-2019, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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What woman wants to be in the position of having an unwanted pregnancy?
right...so it is a bother to them and they are offended... so lets just kill another human.....




thoroughly modern Millie cant be bothered with a baby, its offensive to her
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Old 05-16-2019, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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right...so it is a bother to them and they are offended... so lets just kill another human.....




thoroughly modern Millie cant be bothered with a baby, its offensive to her
It's not your call to make. Nor the court's. It's a personal decision.
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Old 05-16-2019, 02:46 PM
 
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Before legal abortions, most of them were just flushed down the toilet. It's not that hard to induce a miscarriage, and a first trimester fetus is not that big. When I was in college, a popular technique was to use a funnel and a piece of surgical tubing to fill the uterus with pHisohex. Quinine is another abortifacient.

Laws against abortion do not stop abortions. Free birth control and education stops abortions, but the weirdos don't like birth control.
The same people, mainly Christian, who want to ban abortions, also want to ban birth control. They prefer a Sharia-like Christian world. They hate planned Parenthood even though it provides birth control and other women's health services. Many women would not have those health service available if not for PP.
If PP did not provide birth control, the number of abortions, legal or illegal would escalate.
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Old 05-16-2019, 02:47 PM
 
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The same people, mainly Christian, who want to ban abortions, also want to ban birth control. They prefer a Sharia-like Christian world. They hate planned Parenthood even though it provides birth control and other women's health services. Many women would not have those health service available if not for PP.
No one of any account is calling for banning birth control. Why do you feel the need to argue such hyperbole?
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