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Lets talk when Trump begins using our military against Iran.
I oppose war be it Trump's hypothetical war or all Obama's wars.
You mean you want the talk to begin after it's too late?
Some can argue that sending our military ships to the region is "using our military against Iran," though of course we wouldn't feel that way if suddenly Iran were to begin sending their naval forces close to our shores...
And who should do the talking? Maybe Congress? This too is high time America more seriously consider before we let Trump or any other "I am King" mentality lead us into unnecessary conflict!
Liberal or conservative, we've all got to well remember how we ended up invading Iraq, contrary to much objection by both liberals and conservatives. Right? Now too all this with Iran. When do we stop accepting this sort of executive lead toward war rather than perhaps requiring at least some better level of scrutiny and strategy? Perhaps better suited for Congress at least?
Just Trump now instead?
I mean aside from all other innocents who are likely to die as a result of these sorts of conflicts, American soldiers are both liberal and conservative and deserving of better reasons to put their lives on the line...
US gears up for war with Iran
Can a state that condemns, without real justification, an international disarmament treaty it spent years negotiating then threaten a co-signatory with military aggression? Can it order other countries to fall into line with its capricious, bellicose stance or face punitive sanctions?
war is a nasty business, and one that should be avoided when possible. sometimes you cant avoid war no matter how hard you try.
we invaded iraq because there was credible intelligence that they had weapons of mass destruction, along with 22 other reasons.
also note that there was no peace treaty after the gulf war, only a cease fire agreement which iraq consistently violated. add to that clinton signed the iraqi freedom act which required the US government to push for regime change in iraq, so bush43 was only following the law.
also dont forget the old latin saying "if you want peace, prepare for war". if your enemies know that you are willing to go to war, then they often think twice about doing things that will result in heavy destruction to their country, and are more willing to go to the negotiating table.
also remember that teddy roosevelt said speak softly and carry a big stick. that big stick he was talking about is the US navy.
oh boy. yeah that speech makes him a war hawk just like trumps grab em by the p is tantamount to admitting to sexual assault.
Pretty weird comparison you've come up with there...
I wonder what Trump's comment about treating women like bowling balls sounds like to you. Better yet, I think I'd rather not know, but if we're talking about ethics, vision and leadership here, hard to paint that Trump turd either way.
"A leader needs to be driven by three things when he thinks about a decision: Is it moral, is it legal, and is it ethical? Those are three litmus tests for every decision that a good leader has to make.
And if you fail to use that litmus test, then, eventually, you're creating this organization that is a house of cards, and it will collapse at some point in time. Good leadership requires good integrity." - Adm. William McRaven
With Iraq, people had reasons to believe it was true because the military, CIA, Colin Powell etc all made a case for it. It all turned out to be a Bush lie. This time hardly anyone it taking Trump seriously since he lies about EVERYTHING.
Well as long as America keeps making progress along these lines. That's the important thing...
There is absolutely no reason to go to war with Iran. If you believe they bombed those tankers then you are gullible. This is the Iraq war part two. Maybe Powell can dust off his presentation boards and just change the "q" in Iraq to a "n".
It was only a matter of time the drums started beating after Bolton was appointed. War would be a major deflection point for Mr. Trump.
You would think we would at least get clear evidence and confirmation that Iran bombed the tankers, and then too who exactly before we take any sort of military action, but even if Iran did bomb those tankers, are we somehow expecting Iran to simply accept all that Trump has been doing to Iran since deciding to simply renege on the nuclear agreement we entered into? Without even the consent of our allies?
Don't know about you but if an enemy of mine slapped me across the face once, then again, and then again after coming to terms, I might start doing a little slapping back...
war is a nasty business, and one that should be avoided when possible. sometimes you cant avoid war no matter how hard you try.
we invaded iraq because there was credible intelligence that they had weapons of mass destruction, along with 22 other reasons.
also note that there was no peace treaty after the gulf war, only a cease fire agreement which iraq consistently violated. add to that clinton signed the iraqi freedom act which required the US government to push for regime change in iraq, so bush43 was only following the law.
also dont forget the old latin saying "if you want peace, prepare for war". if your enemies know that you are willing to go to war, then they often think twice about doing things that will result in heavy destruction to their country, and are more willing to go to the negotiating table.
also remember that teddy roosevelt said speak softly and carry a big stick. that big stick he was talking about is the US navy.
"War is a nasty business." To say the least, and because it should be avoided whenever possible, we must also not make the mistake I think you are making...
Rather than excuse our mistakes with the likes of "credible intelligence," let's more seriously and willingly consider where we tend to go wrong.
Colin Powell: U.N. Speech “Was a Great Intelligence Failure”
"Colin Powell has called his 2003 speech to the United Nations, laying out the Bush administration’s rationale for war in Iraq, a “blot” on his record. The speech set out to detail Iraq’s weapons program, but as the intelligence would later confirm, that program was nonexistent.
More than 13 years later, the speech continues to haunt the administration — not just for what it got wrong, but for the unintended consequences it may have set in motion.
Powell’s U.N. speech helped elevate Zarqawi’s status, and within months, he was rapidly gaining followers in Iraq, fomenting sectarian warfare and laying the groundwork for the organization that would become ISIS."
It is exactly because we make these mistakes, because even our intelligence can be flawed and because we can't control unintended consequences that we really MUST exercise much better judgement from start to finish!
also remember that teddy roosevelt said speak softly and carry a big stick. that big stick he was talking about is the US navy.
Let's also not let our big stick do our thinking for us...
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