The drums of war. When should we beat them? (generation, military, dictators)
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The Iran deal was not 'our commitment,' it was the commitment of President Obama. The Israelis opposed it, which was a telltale indicator that it was a bad deal. It was never approved by the Congress.
The Iran deal was far more "our commitment" than what Trump unilaterally decided to do by withdrawing and has decided to suddenly commit too instead, but this now about how such treatys belong to the POTUS rather than the country is another new Trump twist that tends to make a mockery of America's world leadership, going from bad to worse by the day...
The deal was also a commitment the United States entered into with our significant allies, and Iran. That it included Iran (and not Israel) is all the reason the Israelis' need to object. Are we back to suggesting the Israeli's are beyond criticism in this respect too? What international agreements striving for peace not war can we credit Israel for promoting?
The framework for the deal was agreed to by the United States, the United Kingdom, Russia, France, China, Germany and the European Union. What happened in Congress would also suggest the deal was far more that of the United States, except that if anything, Israel had a way of throwing another "monkey wrench" into the mix...
"By September 17, the deadline for Congressional action on the nuclear deal between Iran and the world's six major powers, Senate Democrats had blocked a Republican-led effort to reject the agreement. After debating a resolution of disapproval on the deal, the Senate moved to a procedural vote on September 10 to end debate on the subject, which required 60 votes. But with a vote of 58-42 in favor, Democrats filibustered the measure and prevented the resolution of disapproval from coming to a vote.
Earlier in the week, 42 Senators had declared support for the deal – more than the 34 that President Obama would need to sustain a veto, even if the resolution of disapproval were passed. But the filibuster prevented Obama from even needing to use his veto power. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) pushed for another vote on September 15, which Democrats blocked with a vote of 56-42. In a final effort to derail the deal, McConnell then scheduled a third procedural vote on an amendment that would require Iran to release American prisoners and recognize Israel's right to exist before the United States lifted sanctions. On September 17, the motion failed to pass with a vote of 53-45."
These are nebulous, murky, amorphous complaints. Remember that the previous 2 admins saw two major wars, and people forget that President Obama was a strong supporter of going to Afghanistan as US Senator. Trump has 2.5 years under his belt and thus far zero wars, not even a minor one.
One of the single most significant reasons any American can feel comfortable with those elected into positions of power are the leadership qualities you dismiss as "complaints."
And for crying out loud! It's not about Obama anymore!
It's about making progress. Not repeating our mistakes. Avoiding unnecessary military conflict, not making it more likely. It's about being smart about both our opportunities and challenges today. Not yesterday. Please...
You are something like the supporter of a man who forever threatens to beat his wife, until he actually beats his wife! You might also note how many Trump supporters are advocating for war with Iran all the more as Trump makes it more likely, while you want to maintain Trump is somehow not heading us in that direction.
Much like the point when a crowd begins to overwhelm a barrier in place for their own safety, with lots of pushing from behind, the barrier will give way...
We've had an imperial presidency since at least 2008 (and before IMO). Remember President Obama's line "I've got a pen, and I've got a phone"? Most Americans seem resigned to it. Congress has become almost a nullity; the POTUS and SCOTUS run the country. The Iran deal ironically is a prime example. What indication do you see that [m]ost Americans" are not "at all comfortable" with this?
Truly hard to keep reading all this about Obama and Hillary still, but I guess people just can't think in terms of "the now." Are we really necessarily doomed by the baggage of our past?
Maybe what we CAN agree upon is that no POTUS should have this kind of power, as I have commented more than a few times already. We are not a monarchy even if Trump seems to think he should act like he's king. Also no matter how much you are happy to serve as his loyal subject...
Yep, he called off the attack. The opposite of what your claims would have predicted.
My claims and/or predictions are far from just what Trump might do...
My concerns like those of many Americans are as they should be. Something like the concern about turning up the heat under a pot of water...
This really so hard to understand?
More importantly, should we all not better understand that increasing the probability of military confrontation is hardly different from initiating military confrontation?
The Iran deal was far more "our commitment" than what Trump unilaterally decided to do by withdrawing and has decided to suddenly commit too instead, but this now about how such treatys belong to the POTUS rather than the country is another new Trump twist that tends to make a mockery of America's world leadership, going from bad to worse by the day...
The deal was also a commitment the United States entered into with our significant allies, and Iran. That it included Iran (and not Israel) is all the reason the Israelis' need to object. Are we back to suggesting the Israeli's are beyond criticism in this respect too? What international agreements striving for peace not war can we credit Israel for promoting?
The framework for the deal was agreed to by the United States, the United Kingdom, Russia, France, China, Germany and the European Union. What happened in Congress would also suggest the deal was far more that of the United States, except that if anything, Israel had a way of throwing another "monkey wrench" into the mix...
"By September 17, the deadline for Congressional action on the nuclear deal between Iran and the world's six major powers, Senate Democrats had blocked a Republican-led effort to reject the agreement. After debating a resolution of disapproval on the deal, the Senate moved to a procedural vote on September 10 to end debate on the subject, which required 60 votes. But with a vote of 58-42 in favor, Democrats filibustered the measure and prevented the resolution of disapproval from coming to a vote.
Earlier in the week, 42 Senators had declared support for the deal – more than the 34 that President Obama would need to sustain a veto, even if the resolution of disapproval were passed. But the filibuster prevented Obama from even needing to use his veto power. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) pushed for another vote on September 15, which Democrats blocked with a vote of 56-42. In a final effort to derail the deal, McConnell then scheduled a third procedural vote on an amendment that would require Iran to release American prisoners and recognize Israel's right to exist before the United States lifted sanctions. On September 17, the motion failed to pass with a vote of 53-45."
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