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Old 06-29-2019, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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A nation needs to be bound by a common language. If one chooses to learn another language that's their proagative but no one should be forced to learn a foreign language just because of immigrants that speak other languages. We are the host country and immigrants should conform to us, not the other way around. In most cases there is no need to learn foreign languages unless one has a job dealing with foreign countries (although English is language of business across the world), works in an ethnic "business" neighborhood or has a job dealing with tourists.
You got all that from me just complimenting someone who can speak several languages?
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Old 06-29-2019, 05:21 PM
 
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Your right in that its best to learn the majority spoken language. But I have no problem with hearing other languages spoken.
Agreed. In America, everyone should speak English. With that said, if someone can speak another language, I have no problem with that. I've never seen a reason to get offended when someone is speaking another language. I have no problem speaking to someone in a different language. I might not be that great at it, but I can try.
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Old 06-29-2019, 05:23 PM
 
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Well I do because it's an non-assimilation factor to me and makes one feel like they are living in a foreign country. Hearing a foreign language occasionally is not the issue it's when everyone around you is speaking a foreign language and in this case it's usually Spanish. I couldn't care less what language they speak at home though.
Well if it bothers you that people are speaking Chinese in Chinatown, then you might not wanna be in Chinatown..
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Old 06-29-2019, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Well I do because it's an non-assimilation factor to me and makes one feel like they are living in a foreign country. Hearing a foreign language occasionally is not the issue it's when everyone around you is speaking a foreign language and in this case it's usually Spanish. I couldn't care less what language they speak at home though.
Well the US does not have an official language, and considering that some parts of the US used to belong to Mexico, I don't see your point about Spanish.

Having grown up in a very multicultural neighbourhood, I can tell my experiences were that when a group of people who had immigrated from the same country get together, they will speak in their native tongue. Some of the older adults never pick up english or french, but the younger ones ALWAYS do.

I'm not sure how much you have travelled or experienced the world, but english speakers do the exact same thing. They could have been living in Paris, or Madrid for years and years, and are able to speak the local language...but meet up with other english speakers, who have also lived years and year in Paris and Madrid, who also speak the local language, they will naturally speak english to each other. Why wouldn't they. Why wouldn't you?
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Old 06-29-2019, 05:31 PM
 
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Throughout this country there are different cultures in different regions. There is no one uniform culture throughout this country for everyone. I lived in multiple places in the Northeast and the culture was different in different cities in that same region. Even without undocumented immigration this nation experienced a huge spike in diversity and more cultures propping up, yes and more influxes of documented immigrants have came here than people want to acknowledge. Even back in the 60's and 70's when massive amounts of West Indians were legally migrating to the U.K. people were still gripping and complaining about a new culture coming in, people hide behind using "illegal" so much so they do not look as bad. Even without immigrants more places are becoming diverse, because many born and bred Americans are migrating searching for better opportunities and to leave small towns that have way too many small minded people. Many of these Americans bring the positive aspects of their culture with them.

Before you make this a just something liberals do, believe me conservative business owners love having undocumented immigrants probably more than anyone. They love they can barely pay them anything and not give them benefits. You can try to deport all of these undocumented immigrants, but guess what? The majority of them will still be here. To be honest it doesn't matter what you or I feel, cause the powers that be will do what they want to in regards to immigration. Those undocumented immigrants are not bothering me.





As far as what language immigrants speak in public, well that is their business and they do not owe it to you or me to speak English in public. They can speak to each other in whatever language they see fit, and with how nosy many people on this board are I do not fault them for not wanting to speak English around y'all. If going outside and hearing a bunch of foreign languages is a major problem for you, well too bad. Your problems can't be that bad!!
No such thing as an undocumented immigrant they are illegal aliens. There is no proof that conservative business owners hire illegal aliens anymore than liberals do and you sure didn't provide any!

Not all foreign cultures are having a positive impact on our society either. Cultures that treat women as second class individuals, those who think our laws don't apply to them and their ethnic group is a tribal mentality that doesn't have a positive impact on our society. I could go on but those are the negatives of some cultures.

We do have an identifying culture and language. Are we known to be a Hispanic or Asian country in identity for example? No we are not! Those are simply minority cultures living among us while our identifying one is represented by most Americans all over the U.S.

We can deport most illegals as they are found but the best way to get rid of them is to remove all of the incentives for them to remain here so no, they won't still be here at least not anywhere's near in the numbers we have here now. We need to secure our border to deter more illegal aliens from getting into our country also.

I see, so having to pay your share of the over $100 billion a year that illegals cost us doesn't bother you? As long as you yourself hasn't been robbed or raped by them, had your job stolen, your wages reduced, had your SS number stolen, haven't had to wait in the ER behind dozens of them, been the victim of an accident caused by them, your roads, schools neighborhood are not overcrowded then all is well even though millions of your fellow Americans have been negatively impacted by them? Kind of a selfish attitude, isn't it? What about the rule of law does that mean nothing to you? If so, then perhaps you need to move to a banana republic of your choice where laws don't matter.

I never said that anyone owes me anything. If one knows English but refuses to speak it in public then they are being rude. If I were to move to a foreign country I would learn their language and speak it in public. The privacy of my own home would be the exception. If one doesn't want to assimilate into the country they chose to live in then perhaps they need to go back home. They are the problem not me!
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Old 06-29-2019, 05:42 PM
 
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Well the US does not have an official language, and considering that some parts of the US used to belong to Mexico, I don't see your point about Spanish.

Having grown up in a very multicultural neighbourhood, I can tell my experiences were that when a group of people who had immigrated from the same country get together, they will speak in their native tongue. Some of the older adults never pick up english or french, but the younger ones ALWAYS do.

I'm not sure how much you have travelled or experienced the world, but english speakers do the exact same thing. They could have been living in Paris, or Madrid for years and years, and are able to speak the local language...but meet up with other english speakers, who have also lived years and year in Paris and Madrid, who also speak the local language, they will naturally speak english to each other. Why wouldn't they. Why wouldn't you?
I never said we had an official language but English is our national de facto language. All of our federal government documents are in English and our Constitution is in English. The overwhelming majority of Americans speak English as their primary one of usage.

Your clue is "used to". Mexico doesn't own one speck of the United States anymore and hasn't since the mid 1800's. So what does that have to do with Spanish usage in the U.S. today? It is mostly due to the millions of illegal aliens in our country that is the prime reason we keep hearing it today and also Latinos are allotted the highest quotas by far for legal immigration into our country to. What happened to diversity in our immigration numbers? When you have so many from one ethnic group they colonize they don't assimilate. If these people in your former neighborhood still haven't assimilated linguistically into our society yet then you are only proving my point. We will always have first generation Spanish speakers in our country if we don't stop the flow so what's the point about their kids learning English then?

If English speakers decide to move to a foreign country I would expect the same thing from them. It would be rude for them not to assimilate into the country they chose to move to. It's a whole lot different when you are among those who speak the same language that you do in privacy but it is rude when the natives of said country are all around you and they have to listen to it.
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Old 06-29-2019, 06:08 PM
 
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Well if it bothers you that people are speaking Chinese in Chinatown, then you might not wanna be in Chinatown..
It wouldn't bother me in the least as I would expect to hear Chinese spoken in and ethnic business neighborhood such as Chinatown. I'm speaking of being out in mainstream America. Do I have to keep spelling it out for you guys?
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Old 06-29-2019, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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It wouldn't bother me in the least as I would expect to hear Chinese spoken in and ethnic business neighborhood such as Chinatown. I'm speaking of being out in mainstream America. Do I have to keep spelling it out for you guys?
Yeah, you might have to. Because Chinatown, Japan Town, Korea Town, Little Italy..... and all the other places?

All part of "mainstream America", but I suspect that will have be spelled out for you a few times.
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Old 06-29-2019, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Well the US does not have an official language, and considering that some parts of the US used to belong to Mexico, I don't see your point about Spanish....
While it is technically true that we don't have an official national language, we certainly do have a de facto language: English. The Constitution and all laws are in English. Non-English speakers can't possibly follow our political discourse, and thus can't possibly cast intelligent, informed votes.

Those parts of the US that belonged to Mexico were all acquired by the US in the 19th century, so well over 100 years ago. NY used to belong to the Dutch. Do we all then need to learn Dutch too?
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Old 06-29-2019, 07:21 PM
 
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So every one that has a pure bloodline must return to their country of ancestor origin? That will be an interesting mass exodus from the u.s. Imagine that on an economical scale. That would be the opposite of MAGA ... Native Americans would finally get their land back.


PS: my plane ticket would be to Germany. Yours?
Multiculturism is anout culture NOT blood
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