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Old 06-23-2019, 09:12 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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In the old USSR, you were provided food, healthcare and housing.

And it all sucked.
You do realize there is are stark differences in policies between Europe and USSR?
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Old 06-23-2019, 09:18 AM
 
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More and more Americans are shedding "exceptionalism" and realizing that we are just as capable of terrible acts as any other nations.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...nalism/592213/
We are the most-just nation ever to grace the surface of the earth. That we are the MOST-EXCEPTIONAL goes without saying, and those who say otherwise are "traitors" to freedom.
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Old 06-23-2019, 09:41 AM
 
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But people also poured out of Germany, Britain, Ireland, Holland, Spain etc etc etc to come to the us in the past too largely for economic reasons, not political. So sure some run away from political persecution, but most to seek better economic opportunities which the us has. But this doesn’t make the us an exceptional country politically. It just makes it a land of opportunity because it has a huge landmass and plenty of spaces to grow.
In the first place the OP didn't qualify it politically.

You are and that's making up your own rules if anything to try and make a point !!!

There is plenty more that makes us political exceptional whether you admit it or not !!!

What other country has our constitution ? No one !!! That's just a starting point !!! You can hate the constitution for any reason or excuse wanted but it won't change the fact it is exceptional !!! It also leads to exceptional outcomes even among other like countries called democracies !!!
The UK and other EU countries for example don't have the same right of freedom of speech that the US offers !!!
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Old 06-23-2019, 09:52 AM
 
Location: AZ
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We are the most-just nation ever to grace the surface of the earth. That we are the MOST-EXCEPTIONAL goes without saying, and those who say otherwise are "traitors" to freedom.
This reads like blatant propaganda from the USSR; congrats comrade.

We are none of those things.
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:01 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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We are the most-just nation ever to grace the surface of the earth. That we are the MOST-EXCEPTIONAL goes without saying, and those who say otherwise are "traitors" to freedom.
The bolded part indicates you know little about what it means to be American.

Saying those that say otherwise or critical of our country are "traitors" is more akin to USSR and North Korean. People fought and died specifically so that we can be critical of our country.

The day that we treat people exercising their 1st amendment rights like traitors because we don't like what they have to say is the day USA dies.
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:10 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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What other country has our constitution ? No one !!! That's just a starting point !!! You can hate the constitution for any reason or excuse wanted but it won't change the fact it is exceptional !!! It also leads to exceptional outcomes even among other like countries called democracies !!!
The UK and other EU countries for example don't have the same right of freedom of speech that the US offers !!!
UK and other EU countries have something similar

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga...rt/I/chapter/9

Human Rights Act 1998

"Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises."

I will agree that it wasn't part of the inception of their constitutional equivalent... but that's besides the point. They saw something to improve and they did it. We should also do the same... be critical of ourselves and seek improvement.
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Old 06-23-2019, 11:40 AM
 
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This reads like blatant propaganda from the USSR; congrats comrade.

We are none of those things.
How dare you make such a communistic statement. For the record, YOU probably are none of those things, but America IS (despite you and your ilk).
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Old 06-23-2019, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Houston
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It’s possible WWII in Europe could have been one without American soldiers. No possible without American manufacturing.

I seriously doubt the Japanese would have been defeated without us.
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Old 06-23-2019, 11:43 AM
 
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Then quit moving here, we're full anyways.
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Old 06-23-2019, 11:45 AM
 
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The bolded part indicates you know little about what it means to be American.

Saying those that say otherwise or critical of our country are "traitors" is more akin to USSR and North Korean. People fought and died specifically so that we can be critical of our country.

The day that we treat people exercising their 1st amendment rights like traitors because we don't like what they have to say is the day USA dies.
What you say determines what you are (traitor to freedom or friend of freedom).

There is a world of difference between being critical of our country, and condemning her (as you are your ilk do). I don't think anyone would put their lives on the line so you could condemn the country. I certainly wouldn't raise a finger for you and your ilk.

You may dismount your high-horse now.
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