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Old 07-01-2019, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Sorry, but it was in recovery during the majority of O's terms.
Do you not realize that a recovery requires growth?
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Old 07-01-2019, 09:54 AM
 
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Dems promised (hoped) Trump would crash everything.

Just another broken promise.
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Old 07-01-2019, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Dems promised (hoped) Trump would crash everything.

Just another broken promise.
The Trumplings have been reduced from saying, 2 or 3 years ago, "Trump will usher in 4% yearly GDP growth and 300K job additions every month," to, most recently, "He didn't crash the economy."
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Old 07-01-2019, 10:48 AM
 
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In the 60's America did not keep up with the rest of the world.
World GDP from 1960 to 69 was 1.37T to 2.69T. + 96%


From 2008 to 2016 the world GDP grew by 19%. Again, America did not keep up. America grew by 15%.
https://www.multpl.com/world-gdp/table/by-year


Reagan years, 1980 to 1989, the world GDP grew from 11.1 to 20.9T. +88%.
America grew from 2.87T to 5.96T 107%. So it looks to me like tax cuts worked and allowed America to lead the world.
Again, not adjusted for inflation. American GDP grew in the 1980s. But most of that was simply price increases.
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Old 07-01-2019, 10:54 AM
 
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Again, not adjusted for inflation. American GDP grew in the 1980s. But most of that was simply price increases.
GDP growth is almost always reported as adjusted for inflation.
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Old 07-01-2019, 11:03 AM
 
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GDP growth is almost always reported as adjusted for inflation.
Yes, but not his numbers, saying US GDP grew 107% in the 1980s.

Thats about 10% per year. Its not adjusted for inflation, which was very high in the 1980s.

The highest GDP growth was in the 1960s at the height of labor union power and low inequality.
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Old 07-01-2019, 11:11 AM
 
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Yes, but not his numbers, saying US GDP grew 107% in the 1980s.

Thats about 10% per year. Its not adjusted for inflation, which was very high in the 1980s.

The highest GDP growth was in the 1960s at the height of labor union power and low inequality.
Real GDP in Q1 1980: $6,837.6 trillion
Real GDP in Q4 1989: $9,257.1 trillion

Source: https://apps.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.c...=1&1921=survey

That's a rise of about 35%. Which is not 107%, but neither was it a lack of growth eaten up by inflation.
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Old 07-01-2019, 11:29 AM
 
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Real GDP in Q1 1980: $6,837.6 trillion
Real GDP in Q4 1989: $9,257.1 trillion

Source: https://apps.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.c...=1&1921=survey

That's a rise of about 35%. Which is not 107%, but neither was it a lack of growth eaten up by inflation.
There is a huge difference between 35% and 107%. Most of that 107% "growth" was simply inflation. And both right before and right after that period, recessions occurred.
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Old 07-01-2019, 11:33 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Listener2307 View Post
In the 60's America did not keep up with the rest of the world.
World GDP from 1960 to 69 was 1.37T to 2.69T. + 96%


From 2008 to 2016 the world GDP grew by 19%. Again, America did not keep up. America grew by 15%.
https://www.multpl.com/world-gdp/table/by-year


Reagan years, 1980 to 1989, the world GDP grew from 11.1 to 20.9T. +88%.
America grew from 2.87T to 5.96T 107%. So it looks to me like tax cuts worked and allowed America to lead the world.

That is about as narrow a view of economics that you can have. The percentage of tax cuts were big, nothing like anything than could be done today so there would be an impact. But your discounting so many innovations and growth in tech that spawned the "Tech" sector that we see today. This growth came at an expense as well, outsourcing was in full swing and those incentives to move jobs overseas were rolling in with those tax cuts. BTW Regan raised taxes as well so your hypothesis is way off as you would have seen a reverse of GDP if taken in a silo as you stated


Modern tax cuts now have the same impact as Trumps tax cut because your only moving a few percentage points and benefits are offset by the increase in debt taken on as we no longer pay for those tax cuts. Small short lived bump with little impact past the initial year of implementation.
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Old 07-01-2019, 11:38 AM
 
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Do you not understand that most of that expansion occurred under Obama?

This thread should be entitled something more like "the Obama-Trump economic miracle."
I KNOW I have explained this to you before. You choose to disregard it. It is much harder to go from 5% to 4% unemployment than it is to go from 10% to 7%. The biggest gains in a stock market are experienced after a deep dive. In other words, a monkey could have gotten done what Obama did. When it's really hard is when most of the gains have already come before.

Obama's big contribution to the recovery? Cash for clunkers?
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