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Yes, I missed that part and it directly contradicts the data:
No, you're mixing data and choosing. The DOJ data points to the fact that the majority of murderers don't use a firearm. That firearm murder rates fluctuate is a different matter entirely.
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Funny that homicides with firearms plummeted under Bill Clinton's term, the exact opposite of what gun control advocates predicted with the assault weapons ban.
Considering 1.5% of those murderers used a long gun of any sort, unless you have numbers that show that this number was higher and then plummeted after the ban, you can't really ascribe the assault weapons ban to that reduction. All the more so that not a single study supports the notion that the AWB had any measurable effect. You know, the ole "correlation is not causation" argument.
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And no gun control has been passed in the last several years, but firearm homicides are spiking anyway
This is absolutely not true. Perhaps no major federal regulations but many states/cities have been continuously passing gun control legislature (e.g. Chicago, California) and there is little conclusive evidence of the efficacy of those laws. Plus if one can't show that homicides by guns are increasing at a rate faster than other forms of homicide, an increase even in firearms homicides would tend to point to a far larger problem than the availability of firearms. Not to mention that the DOJ numbers show that a small percentage of those firearms used in homicides are legally purchased, the notion that adding additional legal restrictions on top of that small percentage would yield anything other than a negligible at best difference (how is ensuring a legal purchaser of an AR15 can safely handle their weapon going to stop a homicide anyway?).
Legal gun owners are where most of the criminals are getting their guns from. From the link in the original post.
Where are they stealing these guns from? Legal gun owners. Who are giving them guns as gifts? Legal gun owners. Almost every gun used in a crime in this country, started off being purchased legally and in one way or another ends up in the hands of criminals.
It's been known for years straw purchases have been the biggest problem in large urban centers. They are handguns being purchased by these losers girlfriends.
But, we can't deny someone purchasing one if they have no record. So, there is really no solution to that unless we go back to stop and frisk/search.
No, you're mixing data and choosing. The DOJ data points to the fact that the majority of murderers don't use a firearm. That firearm murder rates fluctuate is a different matter entirely.
No, you are not understanding the data. The DOJ study is only of convicted felonies, meaning that they were caught and found guilty. We know from FBI crime stats that roughly 73 - 75% of all homicides are committed with firearms. But in this study of 3,000 prisoners, only 37% of State Prisoners admitted to using a firearm when committing murder. This discrepancy could mean several different things.
1.) The prisoners were not being honest about their use of firearms for committing murder.
2.) Those that choose to use firearms to commit murder are not being caught at the same rates as those who use other types of weapons.
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The DOJ data points to the fact that the majority of CAUGHT murderers don't use a firearm.
It's been known for years straw purchases have been the biggest problem in large urban centers. They are handguns being purchased by these losers girlfriends.
But, we can't deny someone purchasing one if they have no record. So, there is really no solution to that unless we go back to stop and frisk/search.
This is true and fact is the justice dept. rarely prosecutes the straw purchases because the justice dept. doesn't want to bother unless it is almost assured they will win the case.
And again, in states that have enacted bans like "assault ban" there has been mass rejection to comply with registering them or turning them in yet the pro gun control politicians will always say how much a success it is even when it's not.
Estimated one million assault weapons owners in NY alone rejected the law to register or turn them in how do pro gun ban people expect a federal ban to be successful it's millions of people who refuse to comply lol?
But like I said before facts don't anything to pro gun control people they will just parrot the spew that politicians like AOC, Clinton, Obama, and all the current democratic party say.
I watched an interesting documentary on this very same topic a few months back. They were focusing on guns made in rural Philippines. They are produced without serial numbers. The completed batch was then sent to Oakland for distribution thruout the US. Usually once these guns are fired, they are thrown away and the cycle repeats itself.
Legal gun owners are where most of the criminals are getting their guns from. From the link in the original post.
Where are they stealing these guns from? Legal gun owners. Who are giving them guns as gifts? Legal gun owners. Almost every gun used in a crime in this country, started off being purchased legally and in one way or another ends up in the hands of criminals.
Your premise that guns would go away if we didn’t allow anyone to buy them legally is wrong. We aren’t on an island. We have a more or less open border with the largest gun black market in the world. There are hundreds of millions of guns in circulation on our continent. Attacking law abiding gun owners, who commit less gun crime than the population at large is wrong. These people did nothing wrong. Many use their guns to hunt for food, some live hours from the nearest police station, their gun is their life. You can’t blame them because people steal their guns. Would you support a mandatory 10 year minimum sentence for anyone unlawfully possessing a gun?
How exactly do you stop two friends selling one another a gun out of their garage? Roughly a 1/3 or so of all firearms don't have a serial number and have been around since the 1800's.
How about we leave felons in jail instead of trying to control what they do after they get back out.
The newest "woke" position among Dem candidates is there are 50% too many people in prison.
I guess they think things would be much better if we freed half of all those in prison.
No, you are not understanding the data. The DOJ study is only of convicted felonies, meaning that they were caught and found guilty. We know from FBI crime stats that roughly 73 - 75% of all homicides are committed with firearms. But in this study of 3,000 prisoners, only 37% of State Prisoners admitted to using a firearm when committing murder. This discrepancy could mean several different things.
1.) The prisoners were not being honest about their use of firearms for committing murder.
2.) Those that choose to use firearms to commit murder are not being caught at the same rates as those who use other types of weapons.
To rephrase your original quote
I'll take option 2 for $1,000, Alex. The majority of homicides are inner-city and/or gang-related. That they're not being caught could be for a couple different reasons.
1.) Cops don't really care about drive-bys and gang wars.
2.) Those people who know who is responsible won't cooperate with investigators.
3.) Both of the above.
With homicides, reports show that the victim nearly always knows the attacker. Guns are easy, but taken away, the person who is intent on harming another will find a way. Also, since only 1.5 percent of gun homicides are done with ANY kind of long gun (shotgun, hunting rifle, dreaded "assault weapon"), why is it that most legislators want to focus on rifles? Could it be because, like law enforcement, they don't really care about the gang-related handgun deaths? I know part of it is because of the sensationalism of the school/mass shootings. It's more shocking when the deaths come so many at a time and when the victims are typically innocents. Still, there should be the same concern for any human life, right? Not asking you, specifically. Almost rhetorical at this point.
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