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President Obama has set a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq. He consistently stated during the campaign that he would increase the troops in Afghanistan to root the Taliban out of that country.
Keep your enemy on the run so it's harder to co-ordinate offensive attacks. Clinton may have been impeached for lying about sex with Monica, but to paraphrase a quote made about JFK and Nixon, I'd rather have a president who does it to a woman than one who does it to an entire nation. Or world, in this case.
Wrong. It's impossible to rebel against one without attacking the other. That's like saying "I shot the guy because of what his brain thought and what his mouth said and what his hands did" after you shoot the guy in the chest -- "Oh no, I don't have anything against his chest..."
The Federal Government of the USA is a big part of the USA. It is in a sense the USA because the Federal government is what officially UNITES the states. Take away the Federal Government and there's no more union amongst the states. Understand? The UNION army in the Civil War - UNION. Get it? Federal, National Government of the UNION of states.
As for the rebellion being peaceful, it sure wasn't, and the Rebels were the ones who organized an army and attacked first. I don't know what dream world it is where the Civil War was a "peaceful" rebellion.
The Founding Fathers designed the Constitution clearly to set up a government in the US with checks and balances and a PEACEFUL transfer of power every 4 years so that there would be no armed insurrection to effect a transfer of power.
You don't like the Federal Government? Vote for people who will change it. That is your recourse. That is democracy. That is the American way and that is Constitutional.
You people want the peaceful transfer of power when your stupid candidate (like Bush) wins, and anyone who dares speak against Bush is labeled "unAmerican". But when your candidate loses, you not only speak against Obama, but you start murmuring about armed revolution. You claim you're not "unAmerican", just against the Federal Government (and that's a stupid argument made out of abject ignorance).
This is why you people are the political MINORITY in this country. People see through your lying and irrationality.
Again with the Bush garbage. I didn't like him, didn't support him. But, I support ObamaBush even less.
President Obama has set a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq. He consistently stated during the campaign that he would increase the troops in Afghanistan to root the Taliban out of that country.
Keep your enemy on the run so it's harder to co-ordinate offensive attacks. Clinton may have been impeached for lying about sex with Monica, but to paraphrase a quote made about JFK and Nixon, I'd rather have a president who does it to a woman than one who does it to an entire nation. Or world, in this case.
Make sure you remind the unruly pro-peace folks in Daily Kos and HuffPo. They are a-gettin' restless and don't particular care for ObamaBush much anymore.
Wrong. It's impossible to rebel against one without attacking the other. That's like saying "I shot the guy because of what his brain thought and what his mouth said and what his hands did" after you shoot the guy in the chest -- "Oh no, I don't have anything against his chest..."
The Federal Government of the USA is a big part of the USA. It is in a sense the USA because the Federal government is what officially UNITES the states. Take away the Federal Government and there's no more union amongst the states. Understand? The UNION army in the Civil War - UNION. Get it? Federal, National Government of the UNION of states.
As for the rebellion being peaceful, it sure wasn't, and the Rebels were the ones who organized an army and attacked first. I don't know what dream world it is where the Civil War was a "peaceful" rebellion.
The Founding Fathers designed the Constitution clearly to set up a government in the US with checks and balances and a PEACEFUL transfer of power every 4 years so that there would be no armed insurrection to effect a transfer of power.
You don't like the Federal Government? Vote for people who will change it. That is your recourse. That is democracy. That is the American way and that is Constitutional.
You people want the peaceful transfer of power when your stupid candidate (like Bush) wins, and anyone who dares speak against Bush is labeled "unAmerican". But when your candidate loses, you not only speak against Obama, but you start murmuring about armed revolution. You claim you're not "unAmerican", just against the Federal Government (and that's a stupid argument made out of abject ignorance).
This is why you people are the political MINORITY in this country. People see through your lying and irrationality.
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Wrong. It's impossible to rebel against one without attacking the other. That's like saying "I shot the guy because of what his brain thought and what his mouth said and what his hands did" after you shoot the guy in the chest -- "Oh no, I don't have anything against his chest..."
The Federal Government of the USA is a big part of the USA. It is in a sense the USA because the Federal government is what officially UNITES the states. Take away the Federal Government and there's no more union amongst the states. Understand? The UNION army in the Civil War - UNION. Get it? Federal, National Government of the UNION of states.
As for the rebellion being peaceful, it sure wasn't, and the Rebels were the ones who organized an army and attacked first. I don't know what dream world it is where the Civil War was a "peaceful" rebellion.
The Founding Fathers designed the Constitution clearly to set up a government in the US with checks and balances and a PEACEFUL transfer of power every 4 years so that there would be no armed insurrection to effect a transfer of power.
You don't like the Federal Government? Vote for people who will change it. That is your recourse. That is democracy. That is the American way and that is Constitutional.
You people want the peaceful transfer of power when your stupid candidate (like Bush) wins, and anyone who dares speak against Bush is labeled "unAmerican". But when your candidate loses, you not only speak against Obama, but you start murmuring about armed revolution. You claim you're not "unAmerican", just against the Federal Government (and that's a stupid argument made out of abject ignorance).
This is why you people are the political MINORITY in this country. People see through your lying and irrationality.
Again with the Bush garbage. I didn't like him, didn't support him. But, I support ObamaBush even less.
Well, I guess we can agree on something. O is NOT the socialist, communist, leftist, liberal I voted for. Instead he's become Bush Lite, continuing the Bush "bailouts for billionaires" (socialism for the rich; capitalism for the rest) program and the Bush war mongering, "keep the military happy" program. Very sad that O is coward who can't stand up to the plutocrats and the military.
Well, I guess we can agree on something. O is NOT the socialist, communist, leftist, liberal I voted for. Instead he's become Bush Lite, continuing the Bush "bailouts for billionaires" (socialism for the rich; capitalism for the rest) program and the Bush war mongering, "keep the military happy" program. Very sad that O is coward who can't stand up to the plutocrats and the military.
Maybe you would be happier living in Venezuala....
Cause what you want to happen in America wil never happen. The country is tired of the dangerous fringies on the left and right
Is god telling you to invade Iraq? There have been at least 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq since the invasion. Many believe that number could be much higher. Throw in the massive number of insurgents dead(between Iraq and Afghanistan it is likely to be another 60,000). Add to that coalition deaths of up to 25,000(more than 5,000 are Americans).
The total number of dead is probably between 150,000 and 1 million. All because of 9/11. You must be proud.
Is that Christian god also telling you to pass a federal law to legalize and then federally finance abortions. To teach evolution in schools and ban prayer. To give certain groups special priviledges while they rob, rape, and murder us at an alarming rate.
What does any of this have to do with the topic at hand? I said that MY political views are based on the Bible. What the government ends up doing and what my views are are two different things most of the time. I don't understand what you're trying to imply or state here, but it sounds like you're trying to say that because the US government does the things you mentioned then I must somehow not have Biblical political views??? There is absolutely no logic there and no relevance.
The bottom line is that Christians are to support the government they are under, regardless of what that government does, and with the sole exception of a case where obeying government would cause one to directly sin against God. The examples you give don't cause ME, or anyone else, to sin against God. They are examples of the government sinning; that's no excuse for a Christian to disobey, much less revolt against government. Rebellion is a sin, and the Bible likens it to the sin of witchcraft.
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I don't even understand why Americans are so opposed to a revolution. We aren't talking about some sort of marxist revolution or a nazi revolution. The people who want to revolt against the government only aim their sights on the "federal government", and all of these groups are anti-government. Whose stated goals are to have very limited government that can never again strip away the freedoms of its citizens. These are libertarian groups, Libertarian meaning liberty.
These Libertarian groups would actually give all Americans MORE FREEDOM, not less freedom. All Americans have much more to fear from the Christian right-wing, spread jesus across the globe through military force, Republicans. And the seizure of wealth and create a society of welfare recipients who live of the government tit, Democrats.
I cannot possibly fathom why anyone would be opposed to limited FEDERAL government. Almost all libertarian groups advocate states rights, even Ron Paul(the libertarian) has no problem with states passing their own healthcare plans. He just doesn't see why the federal government should be mandating it to all Americans, when so many states are unanimously opposed to it. If you want gay marriage or healthcare, move to New England. Don't expect everyone else to conform to your ideals. We are not all the same.
The role of the federal government is to protect liberties and the sovereignty of our nation. Not to run the economy and hand out entitlements.
Our government itself is un-American. The founding fathers intentionally tried to limit the federal government. Just look the Articles of confederation, the federal government wasn't even allowed to collect any taxes. Hell, even look at the constitution. Pop it open to Article 1, section 8. The enumerated powers are an itemized list of federal powers. If any legislation or government entity is not on that list, it is unconstitutional, period.
The only reason the Republicans don't usually propose secession is because they know all that needs to happen is for the Democrats to make a mistake, and they are right back in power. I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans again seize control of both the House and the Senate at the end of the year. They don't need to have a revolution, because they are going to be right back in power before long, and they know it. The democrats are already in power, why would they care about a revolution, they are the ones in control.
You have to understand that if a Libertarian government took over. It wouldn't have to collapse the system. States would just be required to raise revenues themselves for their own programs through taxes, but there would be no federal income tax. The social security trust could just be privatized, passed on to individuals, or transferred to state holdings. There doesn't necessarily need to be any economic fallout at all. The problem is, our two-party system and its allowance for the back and forth transfer of power, not on merit but by default, gives our lobbied and bought-out politicans with a reelection rate that exceeds 90% no incentive to want to change the system. The people be damned.
Libertarianism is stupid. It's good for someone who plan on being a warlord, though. If you like Libertarianism, move to Rwanda where you are allowed to do anything you want with no government intervention. They won't even intervene when the warlords come to rape your wife and kids and steal everything from you.
Here's a charming love letter I got from an adoring fan:
"What a piece of homan garbage you are. You should have been aborted and your views are more distorted than your moms taste in ****** crack dealers for sex"
Boy, they sure breed 'em dumb down south.
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I got a love letter too, and mine was longer! It would be nice if a mod could see who's leaving such choice bits of vulgarity and ignorance. It's somebody in New Jersey, according to them. By all means, check my rep comments and see just how uncouth someone has become...lost all pretense of sentience, and clearly had no morals or ethics to lose. How does one report this directly to a mod? Looks like that info is needed.
Hey, when it happens...im gonna be sitting on my porch drinking a beer, and watching sayin i told you so. I dont plan on fighting one bit. An armed revolution will more than likely never happen, but a revolution is coming. Our government will be overthrown...but i think it will be non violent and it will be handed over the the people of mexico.
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It would be nice if a mod could see who's leaving such choice bits of vulgarity and ignorance. It's somebody in New Jersey, according to them. By all means, check my rep comments and see just how uncouth someone has become...lost all pretense of sentience, and clearly had no morals or ethics to lose. How does one report this directly to a mod? Looks like that info is needed.
