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We are in the worst possible position. No arguing there. 27 united EU nations against one. It doesn't matter. We voted to leave, as we don't want to be a part of this club anymore.
We have to see, at least for now, as Europe lost to us, as if in a war. We want to regain control of our borders, and laws. We have had enough of the likes of the arrogant Tusk and Juncker, and all the EU leaders to come after they are gone.
Boris Johnson has brought some hope to those of us who voted out. We have seen politicians do their best to ignore the democratic vote. By doing this, we have gone through a political crisis. It won't heal until we leave the EU. It's up to Johnson now to force his way past the remainers, and get us out of the EU. He is determined, but it's going to be very difficult. If he fails, and a General Election is called, we could well see the end of his political party as a genuine force. He knows it, and so do many of his cabinet. Minds will be concentrated for sure.
very admirable. boris is not exactly off to a good start, though.
This is control of our borders. Boris Johnson wants a point based immigration policy. In other words, people we need for our economy, not just anybody who wants to come to my country, from the EU.
Reading this, one is tempted to forget, that 48% of the British public voted to remain. Doesn't their opinion matter in the least?
The vote was rigged for remain. For instance, Irish citizens living in my country were given a vote. Folks who had left my country many years ago, to live in Europe were given a vote.
The Irish were advised by their government to vote remain, as that is in the interests of Ireland. The British who had gone to live in Spain for instance, would have voted remain wouldn't you agree? That is in their interests.
Against the odds, we still won for leave. We had a mountain to climb with all the threats coming at us from different directions. They thought they had frightened us enough to ensure we voted remain.
The vote was rigged for remain. For instance, Irish citizens living in my country were given a vote. Folks who had left my country many years ago, to live in Europe were given a vote.
The Irish were advised by their government to vote remain, as that is in the interests of Ireland. The British who had gone to live in Spain for instance, would have voted remain wouldn't you agree? That is in their interests.
Against the odds, we still won for leave. We had a mountain to climb with all the threats coming at us from different directions. They thought they had frightened us enough to ensure we voted remain.
We didn't.
The swamp is pervasive all over the world. The global elites do not like how the "little people" are standing up and telling them to take a hike!
BREXIT, Trump, now Johnson is simply spitting in the faces of the swamp monsters.
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Originally Posted by English Dave
This is control of our borders. Boris Johnson wants a point based immigration policy. In other words, people we need for our economy, not just anybody who wants to come to my country, from the EU.
Exactly what Trump wants to do. CA, AU, and many other countries do exactly that. Trump tries to and he's a RACIST!
I would argue that the EU is in the worst position. There is rising discontent in all corners of the EU against EU policy and the overall non-Democratic nature of the EU.
So if the EU is abusive to the UK on their way out, then it makes the EU look tyrannical and other member states will begin to question whether being a part of it is a good idea in the first place. If the EU is amicable and generous, then member states that are being taken over by populist/common-people first movements will feel a lot more confident going forward with their own exit from the EU. The UK has put the EU in a no-win situation. The best they can do now is try to reassure everyone still in that they're better off staying in that leaving. In the short term, the interests of industry and stability favor maintaining free trade and good deals and as little disruption to the status quo as possible. Does the EU want to manufacture a completely unnecessary chaos just to prove a point, especially when everyone knows it will be a manufactured chaos? Will the EU have a bit of a tantrum, thereby sending shockwaves through European economies?
No I'd say that the UK is in a stronger position than the EU here, but that's just my two cents. But regardless of who is in a position of strength, the people of the UK have spoken and their voice must be heard. If the Tories can't deliver Brexit, it is very likely to end their party. A Nigel Farage led Brexit Party wins the next elections possibly with a UKIP coalition giving them the majority. Farage gets the job done and something new forms from the ashes of the Conservative Party.
Lol...you’re serious? Ever spent any real time in Europe and gauged the opinion of continental Europeans regarding Britain? Yeah...man, you’re waaaaaaay off.
Other E.U. states aren’t gonna make the deduction you claim they will. No way in hell.
Lol...you’re serious? Ever spent any real time in Europe and gauged the opinion of continental Europeans regarding Britain? Yeah...man, you’re waaaaaaay off.
Other E.U. states aren’t gonna make the deduction you claim they will. No way in hell.
Why don't you go spend some real time in Europe. You have had your jaws jacked here for having no idea what's going on with BRexit beyond some talking points you googled up from the NYT.
Furthermore the statement that you know what 100s of millions of people that you don't know think of the EU the UK or anything else is laughable.. The fact remains that Boris is doing exactly what he was elected to do. Take back the sovereignty of the UK, including it's borders from Brussels. And that, scares those same politicians more than anything else. And it really doesn't matter what someone things who is against BRexit simply because the President of the USA supports it.
This is control of our borders. Boris Johnson wants a point based immigration policy. In other words, people we need for our economy, not just anybody who wants to come to my country, from the EU.
yes, but why not do that while also setting limits on total numbers?
yes, but why not do that while also setting limits on total numbers?
Boris doesn't want to set a number. I guess he wants to get us out of the EU, and then see what sort of migrants we need, rather than what we have now.
Whole villages have from places like Romania, moved here, including Granddad and Grandma. We want immigrants with talents we need, not gangs of Polish criminals running trafficking rings, or teams of Roma pickpockets.
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