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Old 07-31-2019, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Old people are racist so it doesn't matter how fair it is to them. It's part of reparations.
I thought racism had some connection to race. But now it is all about age?
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Old 07-31-2019, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida, Support our police
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As I have said earlier it's all campaign talk. Yes there will be some small changes to Obamacare. After what happened last time do you really think the Democrats want to go down that road again?
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Old 07-31-2019, 01:33 PM
 
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So we should never attempt to improve or fix anything that's broken because the people who were forced to live under the broken system wants to make sure no one else ever has it better? That's the definition of a country in decline.

Yes, I paid off my own $40,000 student loan, but as an American I want the generations behind me (and in front of me) to have it better because I want us to move forward as a nation. People who want to make sure everyone else is held back because they didn't have access to something in their time are supremely selfish and narrow-minded human beings.

The Tea Party with their "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!" are a case in point. Only THEY are worthy of government socialism.
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Old 07-31-2019, 01:36 PM
 
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Luckily I have free healthcare for life. But that was after putting in my 25 years. I earned mine as I feel everyone else should earn theirs too.
Many people don't ever get a chance to "earn" healthcare for life, even after working a lifetime.
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Old 07-31-2019, 01:42 PM
 
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Many people don't ever get a chance to "earn" healthcare for life, even after working a lifetime.



My guess he is retired military or on some kind of public pension program that included full medical for the rest of his life. Taxpayers don't know they are paying for this and never agree to it -- but the politicians and govt. workers we pay set themselves up at our expense. The system is broken and one of the reasons it is so hard to fix because many don't want to upset what they have. Screw the taxpayer even though we are paying their way.
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Old 07-31-2019, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Sure, her latest giveaway sounds good to the vast majority of voters: Free Health Insurance!

Specifically, she is promising that families with incomes under $100K (the average HHI is in the 50s) will get premium-free Medicare. Yay! But how is this fair to the families who have paid into Medicare for 40 years, the vast majority of whom never breached the $100K mark? They have paid in for decades what will now be provided free-of-charge to most families.

But wait. It's even worse. Taxes will go up to cover the free stuff, so that means that not only did the elderly pay into the system that is now free to most everyone else, their taxes will be raised to GIVE it to the people for whom it is now free.

I'm not quite at Medicare age yet, but I have calculated that I have contributed well into the six-figures over the decades while ALSO paying for my own health insurance.

So, let's see: she wants health care for illegals AND free health care for all under $100K. Do I hear $200K? Going....going....

Of course it's not fair. And it's not going to be fair to those already on Medicare who are under that $100K mark, either.

Enter the sliding scales, and increases to pay for things not covered under Medicare now. And that's just the premiums. People are in for a rude awakening.

This will be great for the currently uninsured, at the expense of everyone else. But those already on or soon to be on Medicare (or their adult children who care about their parents) will be the big losers. And BTW, the "vast majority" of voters ARE INSURED, AND LIKE THEIR INSURANCE.

Why do you think these Santa Clauses aren't simply proposing to insure those not insured? Because they need to pick the pockets of CURRENT BENIFICIARIES, that's why.

They're using the Medicare brand to sell it, but it will be nothing like what those who have it now, enjoy. Medicaid for All is more like it.

Anyone who likes their Medicare (and WON'T be able to keep it), who supports or votes for this, deserves what they're going to get.
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Old 07-31-2019, 04:10 PM
 
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As I have said earlier it's all campaign talk. Yes there will be some small changes to Obamacare. After what happened last time do you really think the Democrats want to go down that road again?
Kamala Harris has the same people working on her "Medicare for All" plan that Obama used for ObamaCare - including Katherine Sebelius. Not only that, it has the same time lag ..... 10 years to even set it up, that would mean good old Kamala would be gone before we are all stuck with it.

I've read the plan -- the main thing I got out of her "plan" is that she is totally clueless about the Medicare we have today.

Kamala Harris quote:
Imagine walking through those sliding glass doors at the emergency room or doctor’s office or hospital knowing that the first card you pull out will be a Medicare card, not a credit card.


I'm on Medicare. It is the most expensive Health Insurance plan I've even had. When you see any doctor, when you go to any Medical facility .... they don't want your Medicare Card, they don't even want your Credit Card ...... they want your Insurance Card. She is totally clueless.

Basic Medicare (which everyone MUST sign up for by age 65) has a monthly premium per person - mine is $147 per month. That covers ONLY hospital expenses and ONLY 80% of those. Everything else is covered by a supplemental Insurance plan. The supplemental plan I use costs me nothing per month, but it does have high deductibles. I get standard wellness checks, but they are mandated by the government to cover only specific things. Any illness goes toward my deductible - BUT I'm forced to use specific doctors to get approved referrals for any and every thing. I have little choice about any of it except for how much I want to pay. My 98 year old Mother pays over $1,000 a month just to get the specific medicines that she must have and then she still pays a lot for the medicines even with the supplemental plans.

Harris is talking about a complete takeover of Doctors, Hospitals, all insurance by the Government for some sort of Pie in the Sky "Medicare for All" that is supposed to include FREE everything and include all Private Insurance ("or we will kick them out" she says) ObamaCare, current Medicare (which she clearly doesn't understand) Medicaid, all Dental, Vision, Mental Health, Drug Addiction and a Chicken in every Pot and Pot of Gold under the Rainbow in your backyard

1). Medicare as we know it (and I'm not fond of it) WILL go away.
2). Private Insurance WILL be controlled by the Government.
3). Employer Insurance WILL go away and be replaced by Pie in the Sky .... Including Union Cadillac plans.
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Old 07-31-2019, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Sure, her latest giveaway sounds good to the vast majority of voters: Free Health Insurance!

Specifically, she is promising that families with incomes under $100K (the average HHI is in the 50s) will get premium-free Medicare. Yay! But how is this fair to the families who have paid into Medicare for 40 years, the vast majority of whom never breached the $100K mark? They have paid in for decades what will now be provided free-of-charge to most families.

But wait. It's even worse. Taxes will go up to cover the free stuff, so that means that not only did the elderly pay into the system that is now free to most everyone else, their taxes will be raised to GIVE it to the people for whom it is now free.

I'm not quite at Medicare age yet, but I have calculated that I have contributed well into the six-figures over the decades while ALSO paying for my own health insurance.

So, let's see: she wants health care for illegals AND free health care for all under $100K. Do I hear $200K? Going....going....

Unless you are an extremely higher earner, I don't see how you can pay "well into six figures to medicare" over the decades.


Medicare tax is 1.45% so that's only $1,450 per $100,000. Over forty years that would equal $58,000. If you include the employers side it doubles to $116,000. There is a surcharge of .09% on income over $200,000, but if your income is that high most likely your not earning that thru W-2 wages.


I think you need a new calculator.
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Old 07-31-2019, 06:00 PM
 
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Sure, her latest giveaway sounds good to the vast majority of voters: Free Health Insurance!

Specifically, she is promising that families with incomes under $100K (the average HHI is in the 50s) will get premium-free Medicare. Yay! But how is this fair to the families who have paid into Medicare for 40 years, the vast majority of whom never breached the $100K mark? They have paid in for decades what will now be provided free-of-charge to most families.

But wait. It's even worse. Taxes will go up to cover the free stuff, so that means that not only did the elderly pay into the system that is now free to most everyone else, their taxes will be raised to GIVE it to the people for whom it is now free.

I'm not quite at Medicare age yet, but I have calculated that I have contributed well into the six-figures over the decades while ALSO paying for my own health insurance.

So, let's see: she wants health care for illegals AND free health care for all under $100K. Do I hear $200K? Going....going....
Newsflash, Medicare recipients barely pay a third of the medical benefits they receive plus their health care needs are the most expensive by far. That six figures would barely cover a heart bypass, much less all the health care needs of someone between 65 and 90. Medicare recipients are substantially supplemented by taxpayers. And Medicaid? That is how most nursing home care is paid so many Medicare recipients are also receiving Medicaid.

- Few seniors have actually paid for their Medicare benefits. According to an Urban Institute estimate, the typical retired couple paid $122,000 in lifetime Medicare taxes but can expect to receive benefits worth $387,000.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e2a4ee39b88b

Further, younger people are cheaper to cover, their health care needs are typically minimal. Want to know what's really going to cost? Making abortion illegal. Most of those poverty stricken, often drug addicted, women forced to give birth will use Medicaid, welfare and food stamps, especially Medicaid, because hospitals will be forced to treat them.
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Old 07-31-2019, 07:06 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Originally Posted by Rachel976 View Post
Sure, her latest giveaway sounds good to the vast majority of voters: Free Health Insurance!

Specifically, she is promising that families with incomes under $100K (the average HHI is in the 50s) will get premium-free Medicare. Yay! But how is this fair to the families who have paid into Medicare for 40 years, the vast majority of whom never breached the $100K mark? They have paid in for decades what will now be provided free-of-charge to most families.

But wait. It's even worse. Taxes will go up to cover the free stuff, so that means that not only did the elderly pay into the system that is now free to most everyone else, their taxes will be raised to GIVE it to the people for whom it is now free.

I'm not quite at Medicare age yet, but I have calculated that I have contributed well into the six-figures over the decades while ALSO paying for my own health insurance.

So, let's see: she wants health care for illegals AND free health care for all under $100K. Do I hear $200K? Going....going....
Isn't she also giving them $50K for a deposit on a house too ?
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