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Old 09-13-2019, 06:58 AM
 
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Singapore: Consensus Dictatorship.
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Old 09-13-2019, 07:01 AM
 
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Then its little India in name only.

Chinatown, Little Italy, etc are or were self segregating communities. You found it difficult to get housing or renting if you did not share the ethnicities of the neighborhood.
Well Singapore did not want to experience the similar racial and cultural problems that were happening across the world and a repeat of the race riots in Singapore in the mid 1960s and around the world as such as the race riots in the US and the segerated neighbourhoods in the US, the apartheid policies in South Africa, the anti Chinese riots in Malaysia and Singapore, the segregation of the Aborigines in Australia. That's why the first Singapore prime minister implemented policies to prevent racial and cultural tensions.
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Old 09-13-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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Singapore: Consensus Dictatorship.
Yet the standard of living is much higher in Singapore than the US overall. Plus it is much safer to live in Singapore The lifestyle that Singaporeans enjoy is only available in gated communities in USA.
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Old 09-13-2019, 07:13 AM
 
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For the fifty years of its existence, Singapore has witnessed very few instances of inter-racial tensions and certainly no major terrorist threat. According to the government census, there are currently 74.3% Chinese, 13.3% Malays, 9.1% Indians, and 3.3% “Others”. Furthermore, according to a recent survey, more than 90% of Singaporeans are comfortable with having people of other races and religions as neighbors or colleagues. In an interview for International Herald Tribune, Singapore’s founding father, Mr Lee Kuan Yew, lectured the US on social cohesion and equality, attributing his country’s economic success to the racial harmony in the society.https://www.historycampus.org/2016/c...ticulturalism/

At least 80% of residents in Singapore live in public housing and according to Singapore law, all public housing buildings must have a mixture of nationalities. Ethnically segregated neighborhoods is illegal there.

The percentage of Muslims in Singapore is similar in numbers as the great cities of Paris and London, yet there has not been a major terrorist attack or threat there.


The Western World can learn a lot from Singapore.
Maybe. But in Singapore the rights of the government supersede the rights of the individual. The west will never adopt that attitude and the idea that an American Juvenile could be whipped with a cane for spray painting private property is unthinkable. But it happened in Singapore.



Your statement that Singapore has "no major terrorist threat is just false. Singapore has one of the highest rated and well trained anti terrorism forces in the world.
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The ISD detained a total of 13 JI members, including their spiritual leader, Ibrahim Maidin. Maidin trained in Afghanistan in 1993, and wrote several letters to Taliban leader Mullah Omar and al-Qa`ida leader Usama bin Ladin.8 Upon his return to Singapore, Maidin arranged for JI members to receive training in Afghanistan.9 Subsequent arrests ensued in September 2004 and July 2006, crippling JI’s network in Singapore. Singapore has also faced a threat from homegrown radicalization. This was most vividly seen........
https://ctc.usma.edu/singapores-appr...nterterrorism/


There is no Utopia in this world. We should accept that and move in some realistic direction.
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Old 09-13-2019, 07:14 AM
 
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That's your issue of why it won't work in the west.

Problem is that ethnic groups do and should have a right to live in neighborhoods that meet their cultural heritage.

You don't have the option in Singapore to self segregate, so you'd never really have a neighborhood that is Black, or Asian, or Jewish, no Chinatown, or Little Italy either.
There is a perennial Republican candidate for Congress in one of the Chicago metro areas who is a Nazi. The GOP does not bother to primary him because the district is super majority Democrat. He tends to receive more than his fair share of local coverage because of his positions.

In 2018, he ran on a platform of giving neighborhoods the right to kick out people who don’t fit in. How something like that would work was anyone’s guess.
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Old 09-13-2019, 07:26 AM
 
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If their demographic makeup is 74.3% Chinese. That doesn't make them multi-cultural. It means they have a very dominant demographic and culture with just some minority ones living among them. That's the only way a society can co-exist peacefully.
Have you been to Singapore?

There is no very dominate culture and demographic in Singapore.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapo...heritage-trail

Singaporean's behaviours and attitudes are influenced by, among other things, his or her home language and his religion. Singaporeans who speak English as their native language tend to lean toward Western culture, while those who speak Chinese as their native language tend to lean toward Chinese culture and Confucianism. Malay-speaking Singaporeans tend to lean toward Malay culture, which itself is closely linked to Islamic culture

15% of Singapore population are Muslims, no US city has such a high percentage of Muslims living there.


Singapore has four official languages: English, Malay, Mandarin Chinese, and Tamil.
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Old 09-13-2019, 07:26 AM
 
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90% said they would be fine living next to/close by other cultures. That number would be absurdly high in this country.

Has nothing to do with 74% being Chinese. When the U.S. was overwhelmingly caucasian, racism and strife was rampant.

Has more to do, IMO, with the fact that core values very similar amongst the 3 largest groups there. Family. Education. Tradition. Work ethic. And they share some less desirable cultural traits - rigidity, slow social progress, less value of individuality.
I disagree. A cohesive society will live in much more harmony with each other when there is a very dominant culture and demographic makeup. In the past, yes there was racism against blacks which was wrong but that's not the point.

Not surprising that a country with a very dominant culture would say they would be fine living close by with other cultures if they never experienced its downfalls. I see nothing great about living in a society that speaks a bunch of different languages and has many different cultures without there being a mostly dominant and identifying one. Unfortunately, I see our country rapidly heading in that direction and illegal immigration is a contributing factor.
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Old 09-13-2019, 07:28 AM
 
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For the fifty years of its existence, Singapore has witnessed very few instances of inter-racial tensions and certainly no major terrorist threat. According to the government census, there are currently 74.3% Chinese, 13.3% Malays, 9.1% Indians, and 3.3% “Others”. Furthermore, according to a recent survey, more than 90% of Singaporeans are comfortable with having people of other races and religions as neighbors or colleagues. In an interview for International Herald Tribune, Singapore’s founding father, Mr Lee Kuan Yew, lectured the US on social cohesion and equality, attributing his country’s economic success to the racial harmony in the society.https://www.historycampus.org/2016/c...ticulturalism/

At least 80% of residents in Singapore live in public housing and according to Singapore law, all public housing buildings must have a mixture of nationalities. Ethnically segregated neighborhoods is illegal there.

The percentage of Muslims in Singapore is similar in numbers as the great cities of Paris and London, yet there has not been a major terrorist attack or threat there.


The Western World can learn a lot from Singapore.
Public housing in Singapore is not the same as public housing in the US.

While most housing was developed with public financing is operated by the government, housing is not economically diverse. The wealthy do not live in the same structures as low income or middle class.
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Old 09-13-2019, 07:31 AM
 
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Maybe. But in Singapore the rights of the government supersede the rights of the individual. The west will never adopt that attitude and the idea that an American Juvenile could be whipped with a cane for spray painting private property is unthinkable. But it happened in Singapore.



Your statement that Singapore has "no major terrorist threat is just false. Singapore has one of the highest rated and well trained anti terrorism forces in the world.

https://ctc.usma.edu/singapores-appr...nterterrorism/


There is no Utopia in this world. We should accept that and move in some realistic direction.
Yet there has been no terrorist attack in Singapore. Singapore also refuses to give platform to extremists Muslim preachers.
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Old 09-13-2019, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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What do you think they can learn from Singapore? I reckon we can learn a bit about strict law and order enforcement. I think that has more to do with social harmony than quota systems on public housing.
Capital punishment has been an effective deterrent to crime and recreational drug possession/ dealing.
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