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Old 09-17-2019, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Originally Posted by Bitey View Post
Yeah, the actual statute.
Did you read the statute? Apparently not.

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(1) The Administrator shall, after notice and opportunity for public hearing, waive application of this section to any State which has adopted standards (other than crankcase emission standards) for the control of emissions from new motor vehicles or new motor vehicle engines prior to March 30, 1966, if the State determines that the State standards will be, in the aggregate, at least as protective of public health and welfare as applicable Federal standards. No such waiver shall be granted if the Administrator finds that—

(A) the determination of the State is arbitrary and capricious,

(B) such State does not need such State standards to meet compelling and extraordinary conditions, or

(C) such State standards and accompanying enforcement procedures are not consistent with section 7521(a) of this title.


(2) If each State standard is at least as stringent as the comparable applicable Federal standard, such State standard shall be deemed to be at least as protective of health and welfare as such Federal standards for purposes of paragraph (1).

(3) In the case of any new motor vehicle or new motor vehicle engine to which State standards apply pursuant to a waiver granted under paragraph (1), compliance with such State standards shall be treated as compliance with applicable Federal standards for purposes of this subchapter.
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That is the California Waiver. The administration may attempt to use A B or C to evade it but they will likely lose in court.
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Old 09-17-2019, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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This is unique to the GOP? Now thats a good one!
Where did I say that?

I am an advocate of strong states and a weak federal government with limited powers. I don't see much to appreciate about the Dems or the GOP in that regard, but at least the Dems aren't hypocritical about it.
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Old 09-17-2019, 06:17 PM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Originally Posted by Wapasha View Post
Agreed.

Why can't California be allowed to set their own standards for pollution, etc...?

If their state government want to make it illegal for California residents to purchase the same car that I can buy in Wisconsin, tough luck for those people in California. you get the government you voted for.
Make it illegal to re-sell sell a CARB vehicle outside California. That would get them in a wad.
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Old 09-17-2019, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Make it illegal to re-sell sell a CARB vehicle outside California. That would get them in a wad.
Silliness. You would need legislation. That is not going to happen. And it would make no difference.
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Old 09-17-2019, 06:35 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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What's puzzling to me is what are the material advantages to the US auto industry from removing the California emissions standards? Presumably foreign car manufacturers are subject to the same standards, so they would gain the same benefits. Is this all just about the pickup truck business?
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Old 09-17-2019, 06:36 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Originally Posted by Kibby View Post
California can’t even clear human poop from public sidewalks. They are Nuts.
Why should the ?Federal Government or the other 49 States allow these crazy people to set ALL auto anything, food anything or anything at all for every State in the USA?

ITS INSANE to do that. This is a good move.
Dirtiest city rankings,

#2 Los Angeles- "The runner-up for the dirtiest city in the United States is Los Angeles, which will come as no surprise to anyone who has ever laid eyes on the mid-afternoon smog haze on any given day. Poor air quality is the main contributing factor to the City of Angels’ high spot on the list."

#3 Riverside-San Bernardino- "the air quality in this California city is abysmal. The American Lung Association gave air quality in this region a grade of “F” thanks to the daily presence of particle pollution."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution_in_California


California has major air pollution problems. Why shouldn't California have the right to fix their polluted air problems with less polluting automobiles?

And why should California not have the right to combat automobile created smog in their cities?
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Old 09-17-2019, 06:39 PM
 
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What's puzzling to me is what are the material advantages to the US auto industry from removing the California emissions standards? Presumably foreign car manufacturers are subject to the same standards, so they would gain the same benefits. Is this all just about the pickup truck business?
Lower production costs enable lower sales prices and higher sales volumes, hopefully resulting in higher profits.
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Old 09-17-2019, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Lower production costs enable lower sales prices and higher sales volumes, hopefully resulting in higher profits.
Think a bit about it. Takes a couple of years to turn around an auto design. So for at least a few years all you would do is favor those manufacturers who already had a polluting design up and running. Those would not be US manufacturers or even Western ones. China might have a field day at least at the low end.
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Old 09-17-2019, 06:50 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Boss View Post
Ah, that dang state's right stuff goes in more then one direction.
That was an Obama Admin waiver.

Has nothing to do with states' rights.
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Old 09-17-2019, 06:58 PM
 
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Think a bit about it. Takes a couple of years to turn around an auto design. So for at least a few years all you would do is favor those manufacturers who already had a polluting design up and running. Those would not be US manufacturers or even Western ones. China might have a field day at least at the low end.
This is not only about manufacturers. It is also about consumers (voters) as well. Lower sales prices make cars more affordable, which means they can either get a better car, or keep more money in their pockets. This is a benefit as well.
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